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Robin
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USA
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 Posted - 06/03/2005 : 1:03:17 PM
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| But if you don't, I just got this in our homeschooling newsletter. Under Bush's "No Child Left Behind Act,if you attend a public high school, your school system is required to turn over your private information to the U.S. military unless you opt out.The Alemeda county board of Education unanimously passed a resolution to help inform parents that unless they act, their children's personal information will be handed over to military recruiters. Maybe your school district can do the same. Check out www.militaryfreezone.org/opt out. Peace, Robin |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 06/03/2005 : 1:38:17 PM
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| the patriot act also says that people who are homeschooled are potential terorists. |
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Mechman293
Chatterbox
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Posted - 06/03/2005 : 2:36:28 PM
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| How does that work if public schools have summer vactions? |
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Robin
Yak Addict
USA
598 Posts |
Posted - 06/03/2005 : 6:11:01 PM
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| Does the Patriot act really say that?!! It's worse than I thought. I wonder if Homeopaths are considerd terrorists....Hmmm that would just push my family right over the edge. Peace, Robin |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 06/03/2005 : 11:06:13 PM
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| you know what would be better than that? if, you know, they didn't give the kids information to the military. |
death to false metal. |
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Silky The Pimp
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 06/04/2005 : 12:38:43 AM
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Who cares? So you get a call from a recruiter and tell them you're not interested... what are they going to do with your information? Send you a flyer? Not everyone in the country is anti-military, and as hard as it may be for some to believe, some people choose to enlist. Do you get pissed if your school turns over your information to colleges?
The patriot act says homeschooled people are potential terrorists? Right on. So what if there is a broad profile for potential terrorists? If it's not you, why the hell would you care? Do you know so much better that you can say to the contrary with total certainty that people who are homeschooled aren't potential terrorists? It's such a broad sweeping statement anyway... what if it said "everyone is a potential terrorist"? Would you complain about it then, or would singling out 2 or 3 people as potential terrorists be better? It's just a profile. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 06/04/2005 : 07:28:54 AM
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My thoughts exactly Silky,I guess that explains why upon graduation both my kids got calls from recruiters. Let me tell you they were the most polite people I ever spoke with and like Silky said, when I told them the kids were going to college, that was the end of it.
For many, even with this damned war going on, the military is a great option. Both my dad and my husband were in the military.
I am against the war in Iraq, always was, always will be, but I do support the troops.
I want to make a bumper sticker for my car, or better yet, one of those ribbon magnets, that says "I support our troops, but not their commander in chief!"
I do differ from your opinion of the Patriot Act, Silky.
I am not in favor of it the way it's written now and I do worry that it will do more harm than good. Some of it sounds good on paper as long as you don't fall victim to it. Writing legislation that takes away a persons rights and slaps a nice little name to it like "Patriot Act" doesn't make it right or good. There is nothing Patriotic about that Act! |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 06/04/2005 : 11:11:08 AM
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"I am against the war in Iraq, always was, always will be, but I do support the troops."
that's funny, because i am against baseball, but i always support the mets. you can't support the troops if you're against the war. because guess what the troops are doing? fighting the war. |
death to false metal. |
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Silky The Pimp
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 06/04/2005 : 11:20:35 AM
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Let me tell you they were the most polite people I ever spoke with and like Silky said, when I told them the kids were going to college, that was the end of it.
It was the same with me... I just told the recruiter that I was going to college and he said congratulations and wished me the best of luck. Not quite some huge invasion of my personal rights, I'd say.
With regards to the patriot act, I'm sure some of it does sound better on paper, but on the flip side, I'd say some of it probably sounds worse on paper than it is in reality as well. Maybe my world view is somewhat shallow given that neither myself nor anyone that I know has been in 'contact' with its shortcomings. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 06/04/2005 : 12:13:00 PM
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you can't support the troops if you're against the war. because guess what the troops are doing? fighting the war.
Ummmm, who said ALL our troops are fighting the war????? Do you have any idea how many sevice men and women around the world are doing somthing other than fighting the war in Iraq? I think Teri would agree. I'm sorry, did you think I meant I only support the troops fighting in Iraq????
Also, who said all the troops fighting the war in Iraq are there because they believe in the cause and want to be there? One of my son's best friends will be shipping off to Iraq in about 4 months. That is the last place he wants to be. Will I support him, damned straight I will! Do I support those fighting in Iraq, yes! You don't get it and never will, but perhaps you need to define how you interpret the word support. The troops are not the ones who put themselves there. I want them safe. I want the humanitarian work, which is the only positive thing I see going on there, to go well. I want the troops to come back alive.
You might say that by wishing these things I support the war, well if thats how you feel dan, I will not try to change your mind, but FYI I do not believe we had cause to go into Iraq nor do I believe we should still be there. I obviously do not have any power to change that situation. What I can do something about is support local efforts, fund raisers, etc. to send supplies to make life better for the service men and women who are there.
Just what is your opinion on the war dan! Do you believe in it? If not, do you mean to tell me you wouldn't do anything for our men and women fighting there, that you turn your back on them just because they are following orders from their commander in cheif who happens to be our President, who is in that office because we didn't do all we could to keep him out?
I think one can support the troops and not the war, sorry if you don't.
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 06/04/2005 : 1:42:06 PM
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| I think it's really a matter of how you word it and what meaning you assign to the words. I don't support the war or that people go over and fight there, but at the same time I feel sorry for them because they are being screwed just like the people in Iraq. There are many many troops against the war, but they are pretty much stuck. So I don't say I support the troops or what they are doing. I just usually offer the same feeling of understanding that we can try to offer to human beings in a difficult situation. I have met with enough Iraq vets that are assholes and think it's cool they get to kill people and enough that came home pissed off about the war and basically had a completely different viewpoint than they had before. It's hard to say I support some of the assholes, but I do feel sorry for those who have to serve because they shouldn't be doing it. It's kind of in the support you offer them. The best support is getting them the hell out of there. Not supporting what they are doing. |
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Robin
Yak Addict
USA
598 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2005 : 7:01:12 PM
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I never said I was anti-military,I'm not necessarily pro either. As far as my information,I'm much more comfortable staying under the radar, thankyou very much. I'm happy for you who are fine with recruiters calling. I'd rather it be a choice,and I don't need to tell anyone what that choice is. And what if my son decides to put off college to travel? Do I have to explain to some person calling my home, which frankly I won't appreciate, what it is we all are doing with our lives?
Yeah, I DO care who has my information because I didn't willingly give it. And it can be taken under the guise of an educational Act?! It kind of scares me that no one seems to care that this is happening. The No child left behind act is being used for something it was never intended for. There are some high school age people on this board and I thought the information might be useful. That's all.
Peace, Robin |
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guitarisPIMP
Yak Addict
Niue
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Posted - 06/04/2005 : 7:24:43 PM
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Originally posted by Silky The Pimp
The patriot act says homeschooled people are potential terrorists? Right on. So what if there is a broad profile for potential terrorists? It's just a profile.
I couldn't agree more. The fact of the matter is profiles work to narrow down suspects, regardless of whether or not you want to live in your indifferent fantasy world of not. Not just in home-schooling, but on the streets with black/latino/whatever-the-fuck profiling, it WORKS. Go look at statistics, they show that these races are more likely to commit various crimes of all kinds. Not because of their color, of course, but because of the way society works. People talk about racism as if it's an issue about the color of one's skin or one's ethnic background. It's not, it's all relative to society. Black people where ghetto clothing and committ crimes because this is what society has expected of them. That's not to say there are anamolies, I'm sure in your high school you had that one black girl who won all those goddamn awards and got daily cunnilingus from NAACP. Races are different because populations as a whole believe and accept it, and these ways are embedded into our culture. There's no biological reason for a Latino to use the word "punta" frequently, he just does it because so does every other spic, beaner, or landscaper around him. It's one thing to profile in ways such as this, it's absolutely harmless and I'm sure most of you do it without even realizing it.
It is, however, another thing for a cop car to pull up to a black man walking on the street, beat him down, cuff him, and accuse him of robbing a liquor store for the sole reason that he "fits the profile." And that's not what I was talking about at all in that first paragraph, so all you potential mis-interpreters back off!
*EDIT* Thanks for the info, Robin, I'm a junior in high school right now and I always appreciate learning about legislation going on in my particular areas of....forced interest.
Oh yeah, and fuck Bush, fuck the "Patriot" Act, and fuck the "No Child Left Behind" Act. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 06/04/2005 : 8:26:41 PM
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| Well I don't think I fall into any terrorist stereotypes like being homeschooled or anything, but according to the goverment I would probably be classified as one since I seek to overthrow the goverment, but I'm just not activly doing it. I figure when people are ready to give in and say this stuff isn't working then I'll do more then voice my opinions. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2005 : 10:28:30 PM
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yeah. here's the thing. he doesn't want to go to iraq. he's going. apparently it's not the last otherwise he'd defy orders and not go. i don't know what they'd do in that case. jail? i don't know. but it would seem he'd rather go to iraq than face the consequence of disobeying. my guess is it's not as bad as going to the desert to get your nuts shot off.
as far as the word "support" goes. i don't know what it means to you. if it means "i hope everyone's going to be ok and not get killed" then yeah, i can see where you're coming from. i'm not sitting here going "i hope those miserable bastards get shot." this might make me a bad person, and i'm fine with that, but i have no real stake, emotional or otherwise, on who's over there and what happens to them. it sounds terrible, but it's true.
i know people who have been there and in other war zones, and i know that joining the army was their conscience choice. and whether they get out fine, get hurt, or die is a consequence of that choice. surely they have forseen such possibilities and accepted it. if they can accept something with so much gravity, then i can accept it. in a sense, i do support them. i support their choice and their ability to see it through to whatever end.
it might not surprise you, then, to hear that i have no real opinion on the war. but that's mostly because i have so little information about it, that choosing to agree or not agree with it would be the same as flipping a coin to see if i agree. i'm not going to go about touting an opinion based on nothing at all. i could find information enough, as many have, but i have no real inclination to. that might also make me a bad person. i can't be neutral on a moving train? watch me. |
death to false metal. |
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Muskrat
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 06/05/2005 : 2:13:09 PM
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I was homeschooled.
I've heard all kinds of stereotypes about how homeschoolers are wackos, and based on the majority of homeschoolers I've met, I completely understand how such generalizations come about... but this is the first instance I've heard of where we are directly referred to as "potential terrorists". The word "Potential" in that phrase makes the whole statement kinda weird... everybody is a "potential" terrorist, unless of course they're in a coma or something like that.
I am amazed at the lack of intelligence in the world. |
"You know, if you live long enough, eventually you're gonna die." -Words of wisdom from my dad |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 06/05/2005 : 3:59:07 PM
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Originally posted by Muskrat
I am amazed at the lack of intelligence in the world.
Sometimes I'm amazed that people think there is intelligence in the world. |
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Muskrat
Chatterbox
USA
266 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2005 : 6:07:39 PM
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| *nods gravely* |
"You know, if you live long enough, eventually you're gonna die." -Words of wisdom from my dad |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2005 : 7:37:18 PM
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| yeah, i know. i was going to say something like that. like, what the fuck? potential? babies are potential terrorists. they could grow up to be terrorists. we'd better put the kibosh on babies right now. |
death to false metal. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 06/05/2005 : 10:58:18 PM
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That's what sanctions are for. If nothing else it will kill off a lot of babies. Iraq had the highest infant mortality rate around during the sanctions.
Dirka! Dirka! Jihad! Jihad!!! |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 06/06/2005 : 5:05:51 PM
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Originally posted by Muskrat
I was homeschooled.
You dirty Terrorist. Get off this board!!!
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