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Fluffy
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 Posted - 06/03/2007 : 02:44:56 AM
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| Dr Pepper taught the band to play |
Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy         
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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PJK
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Posted - 06/03/2007 : 07:43:10 AM
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Ummm, Sgt Pepper taught the band to play. LOL
Considered to be the best album of all times by many. Maybe I will get out my vinyl copy and give it a spin. There was so much controversy over the cover too, but it was a time of controversy so it fit right in. I love the album and the cover. |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 06/03/2007 : 10:56:16 AM
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| Haha what a great thread to wake up to! |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 06/03/2007 : 11:06:11 PM
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And on this date, I was played on the radio . . . TWICE!
For my local radio station, 105.5 WMMM, was celebrating Sgt Pepper's 40th anniversary. And what they were doing was having local Madison musicians record covers, and they would air the best of them Friday, and twice today. And, somehow, weeding through the 60, or so, different people who submitted, they played BOTH of the songs I recorded. This morning they played the first set (they played the covers in album's track form), My Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band acoustic got played. Later during the second set, my acoustic Good Morning Good Morning was played too!
And not to brag, I kicked everyone else's ass  .
Anyways, yes, very important album for rock music, and the career of the Beatles. And it did all start with that little acoustic tune john brought in called strawberry fields forever. |
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Fluffy
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 01:48:16 AM
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1.5 What's the connection between the Beatles and Dr Pepper?
It sounds pretty obvious once you know it, but I never would have guessed until someone pointed it out to me: The original title of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band -- one of the Beatles' most popular albums (and consequently one of the most popular albums period) -- was Dr. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band! Wild, huh? When I asked the fine folks at rec.music.beatles for confirmation, Jim Demes wrote me on September 29, 1998:
According to BEATLESONGS by William J. Dowlding: "The album was originally titled Dr. Pepper's...until the Beatles realized an American soft-drink company had rights to that name." Dowlding got his info from THE BEATLES A TO Z. (1980)
Whether or not the Beatles were fully acquainted with the soft drink before they began work on Sgt. Pepper is still subject to debate. But bottles of Dr Pepper have been spotted in the Let It Be movie, so they had definitely seen the light by then. Imagine what else might have been if only a few letters hadn't changed . . .
(From the HIGHLY UNOFFICIAL DR PEPPER FAQ:
http://www.freenewyork.net/dpfaq.html |
Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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PJK
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 10:07:50 PM
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Not sure the Dr Pepper thing is true. I remember hearing about it but here is a clip from someone who should know.
The "Sgt. Pepper" cover turns 40
Chat with James Sullivan -- March 30, 2007
March 27, 2007
It was exactly 40 years ago today (March 30, 1967) that the Beatles shot the infamous photograph that graced the cover of "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band."Inspired by Victorian-era composite photographs, Dada collage artists, and Pop artist Richard Hamilton's surreal cut-and-paste suburban scenes, the "Sgt. Pepper" cover has become a visual touchstone. Writer James Sullivan was online March 30 at 11 a.m. to field your questions about this important music moment.
JoshR__Guest_: Who was removed from the cover and why?
James_Sullivan: Hello fellow Beatlemaniacs and pop culture curiosity seekers. Welcome to the "Sgt. Pepper" album cover chat.
James_Sullivan: Hi Josh --
James_Sullivan: Two images were apparently painted out of the finished album cover. As I noted in Sunday's piece, the actor Leo Gorcey asked for money ($400) and was painted out (you can see a faint thumbprint shape in the back row, to the right of the Vargas girl), and Gandhi, behind the wax figure of Diana Dors, was blacked out. EMI, the Beatles' record company, did a lot of business in India and was sensitive about potentially offending.
James_Sullivan: Amazingly, John Lennon's most provocative suggestion -- Hitler -- actually made it to the photo stage. There are pictures of the shoot-in-progress that show a Hitler cutout in the studio, set aside. At the last minute, someone decided to leave him out -- maybe after they took to calling the gallery "People We Like"!
dudemanwhatup__Guest_: what did epstein think of this cover? did he want a traditional beatle headshot?
James_Sullivan: Hey Dude,
James_Sullivan: Brian Epstein, the Beatles' manager, loathed the cover design. In fact, one of his last bits of correspondence before he died was about this subject, with Nat Weiss, the Beatles' American manager/lawyer -- Brian wanted paper bags put over the cover.
JoshR__Guest_: Where are these legendary cutouts today?
James_Sullivan: That's a great question. I'm not sure that anyone knows. When I talked to Jann Haworth (Peter Blake's ex-wife and the co-designer of the cover), she told me she was trying to find a museum home for the Shirley Temple doll, which she made. Haworth, by the way, now lives in Utah, and she organized a mural design in Salt Lake City a few years ago ("SLC Pepper") which is still there, with all new faces -- more women, and more ethnic groups represented
Ringo__Guest_: Is it true that the original name of the album was going to be "Dr. Pepper" instead of Sgt. Pepper but because of an obvious lawsuit that they scuttled that name?
James_Sullivan: Hi Ringo,
James_Sullivan: I tend to doubt it. The cover concept always revolved around the idea of the Beatles posing as a Salvation Army-type band in military uniforms, playing on a small town common.
JoshR__Guest_: was the Sgt. Pepper album the first to show the lyrics?
James_Sullivan: It's always credited as such, and I have yet to see evidence to the contrary. It was all part of Paul McCartney's grand vision for the album -- beyond the music, he wanted the whole product to be a mind-blowing experience, with words, pictures, inserts, etc.
walrus__Guest_: Can you provide some info about the "Paul is Dead" symbolism on Sgt. Pepper?
James_Sullivan: Hi Walrus (and here we are thinking the Walrus was Paul!) --
James_Sullivan: The main clue on the cover to the whole "Paul Is Dead" mystery -- for the uninitiated, many fans at the time bought into a widespread rumor that Paul McCartney had actually died in a car crash and had been quietly replaced by a surrogate -- was Issy Bohn's outstretched hand directly over Paul's head, which was supposed to be a symbol of the dead in Eastern religion. There are other clues, too, including the glove next to the Shirley Temple doll, which appears to be bloody, and the fact that on the back cover, McCarttney is the one Beatle with his back to the camera.
JoshR__Guest_: Would you say that this cover is the most emulated of all time?
James_Sullivan: The most emulated album cover is probably "Whipped Cream and Other Delights" by Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass, or maybe the Elvis record with the pink and green lettering, but the "Sgt. Pepper" cover has clearly become a huge part of our collective visual storebank. One of my ideas, which space woudln't permit, was to put together a gallery of "Sgt. Pepper" imitators -- Frank Zappa, the Rutles, Band-Aid's "Do They Know It's Christmas?" (designed by Peter Blake), the "Simpsons," covers for Rolling Stone and the Sporting News...
booyah__Guest_: I had no idea about the 40th anniversary today, but by chance I'm listening the the Beatles Anthology 2, containing many demos of Sgt. Pepper tracks. Do you think this was a purposeful attempt to create an iconic cover, in the same way McCartney seemed to do the same years later with Band On The Run?
James_Sullivan: There's no question about it. As I mentioned earlier, McCartney in particular was devoted to the idea of "Sgt. Pepper" being a complete package of sensory overload. The 40th anniversary, by the way, is of the photo shoot for the cover -- the album itself was released in June.
coop__Guest_: Is there a story behind the doll's sweater ("Welcome Rolling Stones")?
James_Sullivan: Hi Coop,
James_Sullivan: I can't recall exactly where the shirt came from or how it came into the hands of someone on the album-shoot set -- something to do with Michael Cooper, the photographer? He was close to the Stones. I do know that the Beatles chose to use it on the cover to poke a little fun at the idea that they were in some sort of rivalry with the Stones.
nootch23__Guest_: so why didnt they use the Hitler picture for the cover?
James_Sullivan: It was in '66 when Lennon got the band in plenty of hot water for suggesting the Beatles were "bigger than Jesus." If EMI was wary of using Jesus's image, which they were -- he was another of John's suggestions -- you can bet they would have wanted no part of seeing Hitler's face on the cover.
hendrix_was_better__Guest_: Can you please tell the people sgt. pepper was at best the beatles 2nd or 3rd best album?
James_Sullivan: Hi Hendrix,
James_Sullivan: In my humble opinion, yup, I can agree with you on that. When I was on staff at the San Francisco Chronicle, I once wrote a piece about that very thing -- how the album actually has more than its share of second-rate Beatles songs ("Lovely Rita," "Fixing a Hole"). Having said that, I'm 41, so I was too young to experience the album release firsthand, and I know that for those of a certain age at the time, it was such an exciting event -- the new, wildly creative Beatles album, coming out right at the beginning of the Summer of Love! -- that they can't help but remember it with rose-colored glasses. And, of course, you can't argue with "Lucy" or "A Day in the Life."
vet__Guest_: Jim...this isn't a question about the cover...it's more about how amazed I was to hear this music when I was over 12,000 miles away in the Mekong Delta, South Vietnam. A shipmate, I was in the Navy, received the album and I borrowed a "record player" (rmember those days?) and with a shipmate, listened to the album. Being in the situation we were in the album "brought us back home" to what our contemporaries were listening to in the states. it was a moment i will never forget and everytime i hear a song from that album it brings me back to the evening, sitting in a small compartment on our ship in the middle of the Run Sat River, listening to music that took us to a far different place in time.
James_Sullivan: Case in point! Thanks, Vet.
flowersnbeads70__Guest_: What would you say is the most surprising thing about this cover?
James_Sullivan: The most surprising thing would have to be, as Jann Haworth pointed out to me, that the Beatles chose just two fellow musicians for the gallery -- Dylan and Dion. No R&B performers -- no Little Richard, who gave Paul his "whoo!" No Barrett Strong or Arthur Alexander or any of the other American soul singers who gave them their early sound.
JoshyR__Guest_: Als WB Mason's new catalog is a Sgt. Pepper ripoff
James_Sullivan: That's funny -- I'll have to chech that out.
coop__Guest_: Don't know if "Their Satanic Majesties Request" was an imitator, but it was definitely an emulator...
James_Sullivan: That album was definitely shot in the same spirit, by the same photographer, I believe (Michael Cooper).
PetSounds__Guest_: I don't know anyone who thinks Pepper is even one of the top 3 Beatles albums, let alone the greatest rock album of all time. Do you think the cover is a big reason for its reputation?
James_Sullivan: You'd have to assume it is a big part of the mystique, plus the Summer-of-Love timing, as I mentioned above. To me, this cover art is actually one of their most intriguing legacies.
flowersnbeads70__Guest_: Can't agree with the opinion that Sgt Pepper was not the Beatles' best LP - it certainly was their most important, at a minimum - if you want to argue for a different record being 'better', one can make the same subjective argument that some of the songs on it may not be 'first-rate' ie the white album, abbey road, or revolver. Sgt Pepper is incredible from the moment the needle drops until the long piano tone fades out on side 2.
James_Sullivan: Hi Flowers,
James_Sullivan: Their most important album, undoubtedly. The debate about whether it actually contains the pinnacle of the group's music could go on forever. And for that, we're blessed -- even the most insubstantial Beatles song is a mini-masterpiece.
James_Sullivan: Well, folks, "We hope you have enjoyed the show... We're sorry but it's time to go," and all that. Thanks for the great questions about "People We Like |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 06/04/2007 : 10:28:34 PM
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Actually, the two ones left out at the last minute were Hitler AND Jesus. There are shots of Jesus as well on the outside. Again, with the whole bigger than Jesus thing, no doubt that was also the reason why Jesus was left out. Both Hitler and Jesus were John's idea.
There was a lot planned for the album for (explained in the CD sleeve of today's version) of colored pencils, and actual badges, and such, but were costing too much space and upsetting EMI.
Another little Beatle fact, When I'm 64 was an old tune of McCartney's, which was pulled out of his "archives" to do for the album. Also during the recordings (after working on Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane) there was an "Avante Guarde" track recorded for The Carnival of Light Rave. You can read about this EXTREMLY rare Beatle track here: http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/carnival.htm |
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Nick
-the Ranting Thespian |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 5:50:59 PM
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Here's a little Sgt Pepper Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oEeNM_TT3U |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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It was 40 years ago today.........................
