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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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 Posted - 06/27/2005 : 7:29:54 PM
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| your analogy is flawed. spices change the way the food actually taste. drugs don't change the way the music actually sounds. also, spices are food themselves. you wouldn't eat a spice all by itself, granted, but it is a food. drugs aren't music. spices' relation to food is too different from drug's relationship to music to make for a good analogy. |
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Jamie M
Chatterbox
Canada
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Posted - 06/27/2005 : 9:11:44 PM
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Of course food and spice don't parallel perfectly with music and drugs. But on the level that it applies to my point, I think it is completely adequate. That level is perception. Spices change the way that we perceive a food tastes. Drugs change the way that we perceive music sounds. For most, the right spices make food taste better. Similarly for most, as far as I've encountered, the right drugs make music sound better. I don't believe the manner in which the two effectors change the perception is at all relevant.
By the way I'm not trying to argue that you have to try drugs and music, I just think you need to accept that for people who want to, there's no reason to put them down. |
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HotKoreanGirl
Chatterbox
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Posted - 06/30/2005 : 2:23:10 PM
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Dan sometimes you seem like one in the know, and sometimes you just seem like a very stubborn person (like my best friend) who makes overly confident claims about knowing the truth about things he has never experienced.
Look, perhaps you owe your thinking to an organized worldview--maybe Christian, maybe another religion, or just a code of personal ethics that prevents you from doing certain things. But trust me on this one.
For heaven sakes, twist up a fatty and observe how it CHANGES the music. It goes right along with your view of a tree falling in the woods. There is no sound unless it is perceived. Drugs change that perception--thus changing the music. Music exists in time--it is there and then vanishes, unlike a movie or painting that you can look at over and over. It's the world's most difficult artform. Expriencing it with drugs can change the artform in real time...An absolute must for listening to Radiohead. I suggest you do it with Floyd too...you might get into that.
Like Salt, drugs will open up sounds (flavors) that your mind was closed to before. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2005 : 5:58:32 PM
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"There is no sound unless it is perceived. Drugs change that perception--thus changing the music."
but i don't wish to change the music. it isn't mine to change, unless i have written it. i want to hear and understand the music as the artist intended it. i want to be moved by it in the way the artist intended it to move me. and if the artist intended me to hear it, feel it, and understand it in my own way, then fine. my way is without drugs. your way may be different. who's is right? |
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Jamie M
Chatterbox
Canada
404 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2005 : 6:48:07 PM
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Originally posted by dan p.
but i don't wish to change the music. it isn't mine to change, unless i have written it. i want to hear and understand the music as the artist intended it. i want to be moved by it in the way the artist intended it to move me. and if the artist intended me to hear it, feel it, and understand it in my own way, then fine. my way is without drugs. your way may be different. who's is right?
I would say neither or both are right, depending how you look at it. But I hope you're not suggesting you are absolutely right. Because, beside the fact that you don't know how the artist wants you to experience the music, I don't think drugs automatically mean you are not experiencing it the right way. Should I not do school work and listen to music at the same time because I'm not giving it my full attention? Though.. I'm not always doing school work when I listen to music, so maybe it's OK then. I'm also not always high when I listen to music. But I can be sometimes. Isn't that OK as well? Do you think the artist would really feel down if I told them that one time I listened to their CD after smoking weed?
If me doing school work really enhanced music for me, would we still be having this argument Dan?
Please get over this, and accept that it's not such a bad thing to put drugs and music together. And that you shouldn't harrass people who can get more out of music from drugs.
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guitarisPIMP
Yak Addict
Niue
587 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2005 : 8:12:21 PM
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whether you choose to accept it or not, drugs provide an alternate viewpoint on perception, in this case in perception of music. It's argueable as to which is better as sober perception is more true to "reality," but on drugs it is much more vivid, personal, warm, emotional, distinguishable, indistinguishable, fuzzy, whatever you'd like to describe it as. But regardless, it is an alternate way of looking at things and if you're one who says he truly does keep an open mind, you would probably consider at least trying it to merely hear things from a different angle. It's not a better angle, not a worse angle, just a different angle and it should be respected as just that.
The effects of drugs on music can vary anyways, in my opinion. I've played guitar high countless times, and on most occasions i feel like i can be brilliant and creative and smooth, and on others i feel like it's all too pleasing to keep my interest and i end up uninspired in a fluttery fuzz of almost equally pretty noises that just numb my musical desire at the moment. I've recorded myself and listened back on high recordings all the time, and it certainly does change my style, but i can't judge as to whether or not it is better, it's just different, like i've said before.
and dan, you read way too much into that spice analogy. the point was to view spices not as spices literally, but merely as an enhancing element to the product. you can overanalyze any analogy into oblivion. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2005 : 10:36:27 PM
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i didn't say my way was the only right way. you drew that conclusion yourself, and you're welcome to it. i don't particularly care. but, judging from you saying "you shouldn't harrass people who can get more out of music from drugs" it would seem that perhaps you feel that your way is the right way. "get more out of music." give me a fucking break, would you? "getting more" implies it's better. i'd be more inclined to agree with "different" as guitarispimp suggested. i know i sound arrogant, but you telling me you get more than me when you listen to something high is equally arrogant. i'll get over this when you get over yourself. you have forgotten the face of your father.
guitaris, i say that perhaps you're right, and that it's just different. but it goes against my desire to precieve things on my own, not filtered through a drug. if i ever claimed to be truly open minded, i take the comment back. i'm not open minded, and i have yet to meet the person who is "truly open minded." i believe that there is no "open minded." we believe things because we believe they are right, and because we believe they are right we don't accept other beliefs that are in discord with our own. for instance, no one is open minded about their political views. i would suggest that no one here is open minded about bush, because the things he does go against their belief in the way things should be, which you are also not open minded about. |
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Jamie M
Chatterbox
Canada
404 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2005 : 01:18:10 AM
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Yes I drew that conclusion from the leading question you finished your post with.
I'd just like to point out that I don't use drugs anymore with the exception of drinking. So what you think is my way is actually not. And I already said I don't think either is right or wrong. I was trying to show you that both can be right ways. Open minded doesn't necessarily mean believing in everything, it means understanding that others believe in something even though you don't.
And by getting more I meant as an individual. No relation to others.
Happy Canada Day to all. |
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HotKoreanGirl
Chatterbox
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Posted - 07/06/2005 : 1:16:37 PM
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Indeed Mr. Dan, A wise man is one who knows he is not open minded. I wish I could be more open minded, and then sometimes I am purely happy being as closed-minded as I am about certain things...doesn't mean I'm right or lacking motivation to think otherwise...
The whole act of infalliably maintaining strong opinions verges on the Masturbatory. It's annoying when someone sits deep in their own cesspool of pretentious ejaculatory reasonings, and refuses to entertain others viewpoints for the pure sake of experiencing something new.
Case in point--Blazin the Chronic. You are not wrong to stay off drugs, and I am not more right to use them. They just help me free up closed connections in my mind as I know they do for others...lets face it--our minds fill up with what we know like homogenious shitheaps. Perceiving life the same way all the time is boring, no matter how creative and insightful you are.
The subtext of this post is not to hard-sell you on weed, Dan--it's simply to shed light on the ordinariness of life which I know Radiohead speaks about quite well, and gain respect in my eyes as they encourage people to break free of it. They don't mention drug use, but drugs can be a way of breaking free. It's not my purest idea of breaking free, but it sure as hell is fun and too bad that anyone wouldn't want to at least try. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 1:39:59 PM
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| cry your pardon, jamie and hkg. i have forgotten the face of my father. |
death to false metal. |
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HotKoreanGirl
Chatterbox
130 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2005 : 10:31:30 AM
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| Dan, what are you talking about? Pardon my ignorance. |
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HotKoreanGirl
Chatterbox
130 Posts |
Posted - 07/25/2005 : 10:11:06 AM
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| Dan, the more you ignore me, the closer I get. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 07/25/2005 : 10:30:31 AM
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| it means explode. |
death to false metal. |
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guitarisPIMP
Yak Addict
Niue
587 Posts |
Posted - 07/25/2005 : 12:06:10 PM
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it means explode.
that still makes no sense to me.
Cry you pardon, jamie and hkg, explode? whaa??
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my favorite color is go fuck yourself. :D |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 07/26/2005 : 1:20:18 PM
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| "cry your pardon" is a phrase of apology. but rather than explaining that, i just told her to explode, instead. |
death to false metal. |
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HotKoreanGirl
Chatterbox
130 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2005 : 5:24:06 PM
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It's obvious to me, that not only does Radiohead's music allude to the mastermind behind the New World Order, Masonic Religion, Skull & Bones Society, Thule Society, but also to the chief architects who planned Washington DC with spiritually conscious numerology/mathematics and symbolism to become the gates through which Lucifer himself with emerge.
Lets face it...there have been no more epic Rock bands since radiohead. No band has gotten the popularity and Praise of them since they came into being...they are the last Major Rock act in History. Now their fading popularity is like a sign that the end times are near...A sign that nothing new is to come--only derivative rehashing in the form of Rock.
As it is prophesied in both radiohead lyrics and the bible: violent storms will occur, great wars will ensue, Jews will Reclaim Israel, A new Rome will Arise with World domination in its eyes. We are clearly lving in these times, and radiohead was our last major artistic indication of this |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2005 : 9:25:14 PM
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| radiohead? rock and roll? radiohead is not rock and roll. you want rock? jed whitey. |
death to false metal. |
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HotKoreanGirl
Chatterbox
130 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2005 : 11:59:12 AM
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Rock and roll...Yes, Radiohead is Rock...Rock with experimental Vaginal Impulses.
I don't know if Radiohead ever spoke of weather modification, but I'm sure it was used when they toured and were at Moscow...I was there on tour and the government Bombed the clouds in order to make the sun shine through. It's freaky but it can be done. |
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AGirlNamedPsycho
Try A Little Harder
USA
70 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2005 : 10:24:06 PM
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This post really does rock.
At least when people were name-dropping I could pretend it was an article on pitchforkmedia.com.
Maybe I could stand up for Radiohead and declare Paranoid Android the best rock song written in the last 15 years; it's lightly experimental while still being accessible to a broad audience which is something that even the tightest bebop players would have difficulty expressing (this is offset of course by the fact that most bebop players probably don't care whether or not you get it). I could turn around and say Radiohead fucking lucked out with their first and last albums and are probably lucky to have retained an audience at all. Pablo Honey was their fledgling effort in the US and it could have killed their career before it began; everyone was shouting one-hit-wonder until The Bends proved everyone wrong. And Hail to the Theif should have been an amazing 10-song disc instead of a meandering 14 tracks, anywhere from 4-6 of those songs probably could have been sacked and the album would embody focus and theme, not the blind reachings of a 5-piece who didn't know whether to sit closer to Kid A or OK.
I suppose I could tell stories of how Radiohead moves me so deeply that I don't generally listen to it with people I don't know in the room. My roommates knew I trusted them when I watched the 7 Television Commercials DVD with them only to break into strange sobs because the imagery and music overfuckingloads me. Or I could conversely talk a lot of shit about how my last girlfriend and I were such Radiohead freaks, how our song was True Love Waits and how we ended so poorly and she is so woven into every track of The Bends that I can't decide whether to burn the disc into a fine powder and scatter it all over her brand new hybrid-electric auto or leave the CD on repeat for 17 years, one year for each month of our relationship.
I suppose I could drop some names and list my off-genre influences so that people know I "really listen to music". Charlie Parker's Donna Lee, Lamb's Gorecki, Frusciante's entire To Record Only Water For 10 Days, Track 1 Side 1 of the 5th Symphony and that shit. I guess that would make for a really, really honest post wouldn't it?
I'm pretty sure that truly engaging conversation has been almost totally avoided within this post. It's quite difficult to argue taste to people with tongues. I'm also pretty sure that whether or not Radiohead actually sucks or not, one would have a hard time dissuading people on either side of the fence of this issue. I'm pretty sure that what's going on is a blatent attempt to piss somebody off, to make someone offer up a 40-ft Fuck You so that one can respond in kind. I don't understand the motivation but I recognize the signs and they all point in roughly this direction. The best part is, much like the Architect pointed out to Neo, the next comment addressing this post may quantify as pertinent, but it is, in fact, irrelevant. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2005 : 11:26:58 PM
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yeah, all that stuff is great, except that if you think radiohead is rock and roll, i would suggest that maybe you have no idea what rock and roll is. radiohead is popular music. just because radiohead fans don't like to think they listen to a pop band, it's true. best rock song in the last 15 years. really? since almost 1996? how tight a grip do you have on rock songs written in the last 15 years? it's bands like radiohead that want to kill rock and roll. if you have really deep connections, which i find radiohead fans tend to do more so than other people obsessed with other bands, because of your ex-girlfriend or whatever, fine, but let's not call them something they simply aren't.
yeah, you could name drop, but name dropping is fucking stupid and anyone could sit here and list band after band. and what does it prove? that you can list bands. nothing more.
and i suppose your comment is relevant? haha, a matrix quote from a radiohead. how delightfully insipid. |
death to false metal. |
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AGirlNamedPsycho
Try A Little Harder
USA
70 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2005 : 12:59:17 PM
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| Aww c'mon Dan. Just because I don't start and end a post with /sarcasm doesn't mean you're not invited to read between the lines :) |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2005 : 6:45:40 PM
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hahaha. now i feel foolish.
alright. my half hour break is up. |
death to false metal. |
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Radiohead sucks
