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Fluffy
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USA
10739 Posts |
 Posted - 08/07/2004 : 3:17:03 PM
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Unfortunately, we will miss it by one day. For anyone else interested in the LA area here is the info:
Protest President Bush in LA!
Thursday, August 12, 4 pm
Santa Monica Airport
(Corner of 31st St. & Ocean Park Blvd. in Santa Monica)
Initiated by ANSWER-Los Angeles
On Thursday, August 12 President Bush will breeze into
town to hold a "Presidential Gala" for his political
base: "The Haves and the Have Mores" as he smirkingly
calls them.
While Bush is partying with his cronies, Iraqis and
U.S. soldiers will continue to die in a war and
occupation fought for oil and the big money
corporations. More and more, people here and all over
the world are growing in their anger and disgust for the
suffering caused by the Pentagon's ruthlessness, Wall
Street's greed and Bush's right wing agenda of racism,
bigotry and cut backs here at home.
Let's take it to the streets on August 12 to Demand:
Bring the Troops Home Now!
U.S. Out of Iraq!
End the Occupation!
Stand Against Racism Here and Abroad!
Money for Jobs, Healthcare, Education, Welfare, Housing;
Not for War & Occupation!
To endorse or for more information call:
ANSWER Coalition-LA at (323)464-1636
www.answerla.org
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A.N.S.W.E.R. COALITION LA (Act Now to Stop War & End Racism)
TO DONATE CALL 323-464-1636. YOU CAN USE MC/VISA OVER THE TELEPHONE OR
MAIL CHECK TO: ANSWER LA, 1800 N. ARGYLE AVE, #410, LA, CA 90028
TAX DEDUCTIBLE CHECKS OF $50 OR MORE CAN BE MADE TO
PROGRESS UNITY FUND
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Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy         
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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therippa
Fluffy-Esque
Kazakhstan
1099 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2004 : 4:21:39 PM
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I dare him to swing by San Francisco  |
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Macht
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 08/07/2004 : 6:14:55 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by therippa
I dare him to swing by San Francisco
ahahaha this made me laugh. San Fransisco would literally kill him |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2004 : 8:58:48 PM
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| nothing will change. |
death to false metal. |
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therippa
Fluffy-Esque
Kazakhstan
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Posted - 08/07/2004 : 9:18:43 PM
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Originally posted by dan p.
nothing will change.
You know, I've kept my quiet about this for awhile. I think it's time you moved to another country dan p. Anytime we have a thread about politics we get these same posts from you. On another polictally-centered post you called my post "really tired and not in the least bit interesting." Not participating in your society, to me, is tired and in the least bit interesting. |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2004 : 11:47:50 PM
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Protesting Bush in LA is pointless. Do you really think California is going to go to Bush? Kerry could come out and say: "Everyone in California is a fucker!" and he'd still take the state.
Protesting Bush in CA is like trying to make sure it won't snow in the Sahara desert. It's not going to happen. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 08/08/2004 : 12:24:21 AM
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You know, I've kept my quite about this for awhile. I think it's time you moved to another country dan p. Anytime we have a thread about politics we get these same posts from you. On another polictally-centered post you called my post "really tired and not in the least bit interesting." Not participating in your society, to me, is tired and in the least bit interesting.
well that makes a lot of fucking sense, doesn't it. don't be a douchebag. i could have sworn you were smarter than this. people who feel that protesting is useless have no place america? are you telling me i have to do or say something political to earn my place here? what a fucking joke. i don't have to do a goddamn thing. just because i choose not to do things because i see no gain possible by it doesn't i mean i should be deported. i could say the same thing about your posts, too. all your political posts are pretty much the same. you side with one side. others side with another side. why can't i side with neither? why does that make me unworthy of us citizenship? i form no opinions on political issues because, like most people, i'm largely uninformed about them. and even if i was, then what? it's not an actionable opinion. it has no function. a person is what a person does, and in the end, for all your opinions, you and i are equal. get off your high horse.
it's also common sense that "partaking in society" is means "caring about politics." by the way, do you even know what you're saying when you say "society" or are you just throwing words out there? "society" is a way broader term than "politics." don't confuse them.
i called your post really tired and not in the least bit interesting because the same fucking things get said over and over. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 08/08/2004 : 12:29:23 AM
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You know, I've kept my quite about this for awhile. I think it's time you moved to another country dan p. Anytime we have a thread about politics we get these same posts from you. On another polictally-centered post you called my post "really tired and not in the least bit interesting." Not participating in your society, to me, is tired and in the least bit interesting.
well that makes a lot of fucking sense, doesn't it. don't be a douchebag. i could have sworn you were smarter than this. people who feel that protesting is useless have no place america? are you telling me i have to do or say something political to earn my place here? what a fucking joke. i don't have to do a goddamn thing. just because i choose not to do things because i see no gain possible by it doesn't i mean i should be deported. i could say the same thing about your posts, too. all your political posts are pretty much the same. you side with one side. others side with another side. why can't i side with neither? why does that make me unworthy of us citizenship? i form no opinions on political issues because, like most people, i'm largely uninformed about them. and even if i was, then what? it's not an actionable opinion. it has no function. a person is what a person does, and in the end, for all your opinions, you and i are equal. get off your high horse.
it's also common sense that "partaking in society" means "caring about politics." right? by the way, do you even know what you're saying when you say "society" or are you just throwing words out there? "society" is a way broader term than "politics." don't confuse them. yeah i partake in society. every time i talk to someone, buy something, listen to music, or pretty much do anything but sleep or die, i'm partaking in society. right now, guess what i'm doing. that's right! i'm partaking in society by responding to a post i could barely fucking believe when i read it.
i called your post really tired and not in the least bit interesting because the same fucking things get said over and over. |
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therippa
Fluffy-Esque
Kazakhstan
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Posted - 08/08/2004 : 3:27:58 PM
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Originally posted by dan p.
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You know, I've kept my quite about this for awhile. I think it's time you moved to another country dan p. Anytime we have a thread about politics we get these same posts from you. On another polictally-centered post you called my post "really tired and not in the least bit interesting." Not participating in your society, to me, is tired and in the least bit interesting.
well that makes a lot of fucking sense, doesn't it. don't be a douchebag. i could have sworn you were smarter than this. people who feel that protesting is useless have no place america? are you telling me i have to do or say something political to earn my place here? what a fucking joke. i don't have to do a goddamn thing. just because i choose not to do things because i see no gain possible by it doesn't i mean i should be deported. i could say the same thing about your posts, too. all your political posts are pretty much the same. you side with one side. others side with another side. why can't i side with neither? why does that make me unworthy of us citizenship? i form no opinions on political issues because, like most people, i'm largely uninformed about them. and even if i was, then what? it's not an actionable opinion. it has no function. a person is what a person does, and in the end, for all your opinions, you and i are equal. get off your high horse.
it's also common sense that "partaking in society" means "caring about politics." right? by the way, do you even know what you're saying when you say "society" or are you just throwing words out there? "society" is a way broader term than "politics." don't confuse them. yeah i partake in society. every time i talk to someone, buy something, listen to music, or pretty much do anything but sleep or die, i'm partaking in society. right now, guess what i'm doing. that's right! i'm partaking in society by responding to a post i could barely fucking believe when i read it.
i called your post really tired and not in the least bit interesting because the same fucking things get said over and over.
I'm not the douchebag bag here. It's just been an observation of mine that whenever there happens to be a political debate on this forum you chime in and let everyone know what an asshole they are for forming an opinion on something and not just being some political nihilist. I really try to avoid fights on this board, but it's gotten out of hand. If people want to talk about politics, please post something smart, helpful, or insightful. I know, I know, you can post whatever you want, but this isn't nancies.org!
You're right. Most of my political posts are the same, they are most definitely anti-Bush. However, I try to keep the fresh, topic related, and constructive. I'm not trying to make an example of you because you don't agree with my beliefs. There are other people on the board who don't agree with me, but at least manage to do so in a constructive manner. Here's a summary of just about every debate thread on the board now...
leftie: I like Kerry for xxx
rightie: Well, I support Bush for xxx
dan p.: Why do you even care? It's not like voting even matters. I believe in nothing.
Arthen disagreed to the idea of protesting too, but what he said made sense.
Oh, btw Arthen, you're right, the protesting in CA is pointless for votes, but it's great seeing Bush's expression when people voice against him
And no, you shouldn't be deported for your beliefs. When I say maybe it's time to leave I'm saying this because it sounds like you're fed up with the US.
Yes I do know what I mean when I say participating in society. In case you haven't noticed, the people of this country are very pissed off at each other right now. This is one of the biggest issues in our society right now. This election is going to be the most important one in US history. They're many important things you can do with your vote on November 2. Choosing to do nothing with it is not only irresponsible, but I believe it takes away your right to bitch to anyone on this board when they mention a protest, a poll, a movie, etc.
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Muskrat
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 08/08/2004 : 4:19:32 PM
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| Not to be a douchebag, but... nothing will change. *Is there an echo in here?* Anyway, the info thing said Bush was somehow supporting racism? Lost me there. |
"You know, if you live long enough, eventually you're gonna die." -Words of wisdom from my dad |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2004 : 6:44:12 PM
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As far as all this nothing will change BS goes... Back in the 60's when the civil rights movement was strong and protesting and marching everywhere you could have very easily said nothing will change. However the only thing that is constant is change. Stuff's changing right now. Think about it. A hundred years ago did you see people marching in protest when the president came by? Bush was the first to be heavily protested when he was innaugarated. Things are changing. There is no question that this one protest march isn't going to make Bush get out of office, nor will it end the war, or really just magically solve some sort of problem. However it does have it's effects.
Like when the last time Bush came here it forced people to pay attention to fact that they aren't just going to take shit sitting down. If they don't agree with it they'll do whatever they can. So people would make comments (friends I have that have really no clue as to what's going on in the world) about that they didn't get why people were protesting. Then I would explain to them why people were pissed enough to walk around with signs. That right there enacts a small change. When people in seattle protested the WTO a few years back all the sudden a lot more people know who the WTO are. The way are political system works it's hard for an average person to change things but when many people start coming together things get easier. That's what this is is a resistance to Bush. It might not have a huge impact but it has a lot more than doing nothing.
On a side note it isn't that Bush is racist because he'll deal with any race as long as he's making money from it. It's just that the white race has the most money on the majority. The worlds wealth is pretty much controled by white people. |
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Jay
Alien Abductee
Vatican City
2279 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2004 : 7:54:14 PM
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I think we need to take some of these people...Send them up to Bear Mountain for a Picnic...
(Read: obscure Dylan refrence)
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person is what a person does, and in the end, for all your opinions, you and i are equal. get off your high horse.
You know, for someone that pushes his own opinions so forcefully, that's a strange statement...You post good points most of the time, but they're always too "fuck you douchebag." That evokes anger. That's not debating or arguing, that just says "I'm right, fucker, live with it." That's not the right way. You can make a great point without insulting the other party. When people act like that towards me, I'd rather not discuss anything with them. If you truly do beleive that everyone is equal in the end, why do you consistantly put them down?
Other than that, no one handles a spammer quite like you. Spammers...have no souls... |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 08/08/2004 : 9:49:10 PM
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alright. i probably shouldn't have have called youa douchebag. or double posted. board was moving slow and i was dumb enough to hit the post button about 22 times, thinking that will fix it up. but when i read "you should probably move out of the us" nothing pisses me off more. nothing. except spammers. that's something you hear fromt he right wing. that whole "america: love it or leave it" attitude is total crap. i'm not fed up with the us. i don't recall ever saying i was. i do recall, however, being fed up with what i feel is largely meaningless political banter. pretty much everyone here, with some rare execptions, doesn't like bush, doesn't think the war is right, ect. we all know this. why talk about it? go find some right wing folk to talk to, if you can stomach it. you'll get more more out of it. here's little point in preaching to the choir. i understand that this is a post about a protest, but i'm just saying in general.
also zach, the protesting that took place in the 60s worked because greast marches and the like had rarely been seen before. it means nothing to the people in power now. the only thing understood now is violence and the threat of violence. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2004 : 9:52:30 PM
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| how does not voting take my right to bitch away. voting takes your right to bitch away. supposing after the voting, whoever's in office fucks everything up. now, i didn't vote him in, because i didn't vote. whatever mess is created, i had no part in. |
death to false metal. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 08/08/2004 : 9:56:02 PM
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| everyone knew who the wto was not because of the protest, but because they were brutalized beyond belief. while sitting down. |
death to false metal. |
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guitarted
Chatterbox
Canada
487 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 09:45:45 AM
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Instead of not voting in the last election, I went to vote and spoiled my ballot.
Apparently there is a difference.
At least when you spoil your ballot, it means you made an ACTIVE decision not to vote.
There are obviously people that actively decide not to vote and just don't go, but you can't pick them out from those that just forgot.
In any case, not voting probably means you weren't happy with any of the candidates. Or maybe, you just don't feel educated enought o make a decision.
It's a free country though, and you can do whatever you want with your ballot. |
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Jay
Alien Abductee
Vatican City
2279 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 2:55:09 PM
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 08/09/2004 : 8:57:52 PM
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hahaha. i think florida shouldn't even vote this year because:
1. old people are bitter and envious of our youth and will do anything to make it harder.
2. old people fucked it up last year. they get to sit this one out and watch how it's done.
3. old people are all over florida. like flies on the carcass of a dead dog. |
death to false metal. |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2004 : 9:06:53 PM
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| Agreed. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 08/10/2004 : 09:04:10 AM
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Actually what screwed up Florida was the fact that Katherine Harris (former bush campaign manager and associate of Jeb Bush, governor of Florida) was appointed to make a "list" with the help of Database Technologies (DBT). The list included 55,000 aferican american "felons" that were not allowed to vote. DBT admits the list was 98% inaccurate, with felons sharing just names, birthdates, not even gender to make a match and werent allowed to vote. Gore "lost" by around 500 votes and the average African Americans vote 90% of the time democrat....what did Katherine Harris get for those crimes, jail?? nope...she is now a congresswoman of Florida.
More information on this can be found everywhere...one good documentary is "Unprecedented: the 2000 Election". |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 08/10/2004 : 5:49:47 PM
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| ok. i stand corrected. but my point remains: to hell with old people. |
death to false metal. |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 08/11/2004 : 09:13:06 AM
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| "The elderly, although slow and dangerous behind the wheel, can still serve a purpose." |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 08/11/2004 : 12:04:04 PM
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It looks like protesting Bush isn't going to get the U.S. out of Iraq. Kerry apparently said on Monday that he'll keep the U.S. troops there as long as it takes...
1. He said that if he had it to do again, he'd vote as he did: in favor of giving the president the power he requested, before going on to wage war in Iraq.
2. He also commented on the long-term commitment Bush has undertaken: "I believe if you do the kind of alliance-building that is available to us, that it is appropriate to have a goal of reducing our troops over that period of time. Obviously we have to see how events unfold."
What will determine whether he ends the U.S. presence in Iraq?
"The measurement has to be, as I've said all along, the stability of Iraq, the ability to have the elections, and the training and transformation of the Iraqi security force itself."
His words imply there is very little difference between his and Bush's strategic objectives in Iraq. Anti-war activists will have to find another way; supporting John Kerry as President won't help them meet their goals.
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Muskrat
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 08/11/2004 : 12:37:52 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by rubylith
"The elderly, although slow and dangerous behind the wheel, can still serve a purpose."
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guitarted
Chatterbox
Canada
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Posted - 08/11/2004 : 12:54:42 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by rubylith
"The elderly, although slow and dangerous behind the wheel, can still serve a purpose."
I got robbed by an old lady on a motorized cart! |
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rubylith
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Posted - 08/11/2004 : 1:26:00 PM
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Originally posted by tericee
What will determine whether he ends the U.S. presence in Iraq?
when they run out of oil, and/or halliburton dies |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 08/11/2004 : 2:16:19 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by tericee
It looks like protesting Bush isn't going to get the U.S. out of Iraq. Kerry apparently said on Monday that he'll keep the U.S. troops there as long as it takes...
1. He said that if he had it to do again, he'd vote as he did: in favor of giving the president the power he requested, before going on to wage war in Iraq.
2. He also commented on the long-term commitment Bush has undertaken: "I believe if you do the kind of alliance-building that is available to us, that it is appropriate to have a goal of reducing our troops over that period of time. Obviously we have to see how events unfold."
What will determine whether he ends the U.S. presence in Iraq?
"The measurement has to be, as I've said all along, the stability of Iraq, the ability to have the elections, and the training and transformation of the Iraqi security force itself."
His words imply there is very little difference between his and Bush's strategic objectives in Iraq. Anti-war activists will have to find another way; supporting John Kerry as President won't help them meet their goals.
Yeah if you're anit-war or just anti the Iraq war Kerry isn't a candidate for you. It's pretty sad that the party supposedly in opposition is basically right in line with the other party. Then you have the majority of the democratic party in complete oppisition to the war. Yet they have a candidate who voted for the war isn't even speaking out against the war and even talked about going into Iraq before 9/11. It sucks. |
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rubylith
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Posted - 08/11/2004 : 2:50:47 PM
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| thats because half of all the idiots in america still believe iraq was the right thing and if he goes against it we wont win...so he says "it was wrong but we cant leave" thereby getting 75% of the pro-war vote thatr elizes it was a mistake, and 75% of the anti-war vote |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 08/11/2004 : 3:57:50 PM
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| I realize why he's doing it and that it's better for his campaign but it still sucks. Anyone with a heart and brain would be speaking out against the war and not talking about prolonging it and adding more troops and building up the army. Kerry is a douche. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 08/11/2004 : 7:50:10 PM
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| and there you have it. |
death to false metal. |
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therippa
Fluffy-Esque
Kazakhstan
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 08/12/2004 : 12:56:54 PM
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I just don't vote for douches though. If the democratic party is concerned with getting the white house back they should offer up someone I might vote for and someone worth voting for. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't vote for douchebags.
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 08/12/2004 : 1:35:12 PM
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| then don't vote for bush |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 08/12/2004 : 1:40:36 PM
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| There is no way in hell I would ever vote for Bush. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 08/12/2004 : 1:48:51 PM
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| then you have no options in this election. |
death to false metal. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 08/12/2004 : 4:00:16 PM
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Originally posted by dan p.
then you have no options in this election.
There are other people to vote for. The more people that stop voting for the candidates from the two major parties the more chance this country has for things to really change.
Then again they might all be douchebags in which case I will vote for the best possible candidate which is what everyone should be doing. The fact that everyone I talk to says that they don't like either Kerry or Bush but that no one else has a chance of winning so they pick one pisses me off. So vote with your wallet. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 08/12/2004 : 4:14:27 PM
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| so you suggest voting for a third party. however, a third party candidate will not win this election. so, though you and others may vote for a third party candidate, the outcome does not change and bears as much affect as not voting. bush or kerry will win. and if a third party candidate wins, i will chew my leg off and post pictures so you have proof. |
death to false metal. |
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rubylith
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Posted - 08/12/2004 : 4:28:27 PM
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i say we vote for kerry...then wait 4 years for someone else that has decent values (kucinich) to gain momentum to win in 2008....
it will be a shame if bush wins and we all have to have national ID cards...
i just found out my governor resigned today |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 08/12/2004 : 6:07:51 PM
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Opinion time:
Dennis Kucinich will never, ever win. That might be dissapointing but it's the truth. Along with what Dan said, if he does win I'll gnaw my leg off and post pictures. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 08/12/2004 : 6:36:42 PM
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Originally posted by dan p.
so you suggest voting for a third party. however, a third party candidate will not win this election. so, though you and others may vote for a third party candidate, the outcome does not change and bears as much affect as not voting. bush or kerry will win. and if a third party candidate wins, i will chew my leg off and post pictures so you have proof.
Exactly. I know a third party candidate isn't going to win but that isn't going to stop me from voting away from the 2 parties. So let's say Kerry wins and the Kerry supporters are like well we got bush out and wait we're still fucked. We'll still probably have troops in Iraq come the next election. Then people might say well hmmm we're fucked if we go back to the republicans for a president and we're fucked with Kerry. So maybe some people might decide to endorse a candidate that might actually work on changing things. Ya it will probably be the same BS in 2008 but that's why I said and will say again and again to vote with your wallet. Quit supporting the petro-chemical industry and quit letting your money float up to the top 1% of the country that holds 40% of the wealth.
Then remember that simpsons episode where the two aliens take over the bodies of Clinton and Dole for the election of 96? When everybody finally figures out that they are just aliens come to take over the earth Homer says something about how we're screwed now because if we vote for either of them they'll take over the earth. So then I think Flanders says to just vote for a third party candidate, and Homer responds, "If you want to waste your vote on a third party go ahead". Then they are become enslaved to the aliens.
Look at how easily the masses are controlled. Everyone thinks that if they vote for anyone else but who the money gets behind and who the media pushes then they are wasting their vote. From the begining of the primaries the media tells you who the front runner is and who is going to be the probable candidate. So it's really only focusing on like Dean, Kerry, and Edwards and the others might get a little here and there. Do you know how many times I would start talking to someone about the primaries and they would have no idea who Kucinich was or Mosely? Almost everyone knew who the big guys were but no one knew who Kucinich was. Why because the media didn't push them. I don't know what the deal is with people hopping on the bandwagon for everything but it's one of the worst things about humans. It ends up with what I believe is a majority of the people not liking either of the two candidates fully but making that sacrifice with their vote. They all wouldn't want to throw away their vote on a 3rd party.
I say Fuck it vote for someone who you like and hey if that means enough people vote third party and Bush wins again maybe things will get bad enough to have a revolt or a revoloution. Or maybe the democratic party will begin to stand for something. I'm not giving in to all their BS. If everyone realized that it was their duty to pick a president and they can elect anyone and that it's not the republican and democratic parties job to give them two people to choose between things would be a lot better off. |
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Arthen
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Posted - 08/12/2004 : 7:29:22 PM
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| Where's the candidate who is ready to tackle the big issues? Like making elderly people take a written test and a driving test every year. |
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James M.
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2004 : 12:24:07 AM
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| i believe it was sideshow mel who said he would vote for a 3rd party canidate..."go ahead..throw your vote away" |
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James M.
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2004 : 12:25:20 AM
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| (ross perot punches through hat) |
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James M.
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2004 : 12:26:25 AM
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| and i agree with you arthen..i say if the national average states you should be dead..you have no business driving 1.5 tons of metal at 60 mph |
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dan p.
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Uganda
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Posted - 08/13/2004 : 01:47:46 AM
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jesus christ, it's late.
the reason politicians pussyfoot around major issues aside from war is because major issues get them the votes that put them in office.
take abortion for example. the christian right, who votes republican along with the corporate republicans, oppose the legalization of abortion and are for prayer in schools. of course, those targeting the christian right for votes will say they'll make abortion illegal and put prayers in school. but then, suppose they manage to do it. now what do they have to draw in the christian right vote? that's two less major things republicans have on their side. why give that up when you can continue to lead them on and get votes for another election out of them? it works the same way with democrats and their target issues, too. every one of them. kerry, bush, kucinich. they're there to get your vote and get in office. nothing more. nothing less. |
death to false metal. |
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tericee
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Posted - 08/13/2004 : 03:22:16 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by rubylith
it will be a shame if bush wins and we all have to have national ID cards...
Huh? |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2004 : 03:36:47 AM
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Originally posted by Zachmozach
I say Fuck it vote for someone who you like and hey if that means enough people vote third party and Bush wins again maybe things will get bad enough to have a revolt or a revoloution. Or maybe the democratic party will begin to stand for something. I'm not giving in to all their BS. If everyone realized that it was their duty to pick a president and they can elect anyone and that it's not the republican and democratic parties job to give them two people to choose between things would be a lot better off.
Here's one 3rd Party Candidate you could think about:
Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarik (http://www.badnarik.org/)
According to his website, he's the last man standing that's anti-war. I thought Nader was too, but I'm not all that informed...
I also found a website that shows 5 candidates available to choose from.
    
http://www.campaign.politicalcrossfire.com/index.php
It has links to editorials and articles about each one. After a quick perusal it didn't *look* partisan. If I find out it is, I'll probably delete this post... |
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dan p.
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Posted - 08/13/2004 : 12:48:48 PM
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| libertarian is big these days. i wonder how it came to be a fad. |
death to false metal. |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 08/13/2004 : 1:08:26 PM
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a fad?
its a group of ideas that a lot of people find similar.
why are you so against the expansion of the party system? just curious because I have heard you say the same thing in an old post.
the libertarian party is pretty cool...you see i guess i would be considered a liberal...however I strongly favor the right to own a gun.... |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 08/13/2004 : 5:28:00 PM
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because parties are a waste of time. why concern yourself with what party fits closest with your views? know what you think that's all that matters.
i grow suspicious when i see suddenly a great increase of people doing, wearing, using, ect. something that i had previously not heard of. that's why i call libertarian a fad. maybe it's not a fad. maybe it's a party that's hear to stay and will grow. i don't know, and i don't particularly care, because parties are not even worth the time it takes to examine them. |
death to false metal. |
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