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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
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 Posted - 04/09/2003 : 6:59:04 PM
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True which is why I believe in the saying "Make Love Not War" cause when you die, you at least die with a smile on your face,hehehe.
AHHHH Fluffy where are you? I am not used to starting a second page, I always think of you doing that!
Fluffy this is a bit messed up I know, you have no Idea what I went through to get this on here so I am sorry it isn't as perfect as I had wanted but the thought is there!
Fluffy, THIS ONE'S FOR YOU!!!! |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Fleabass76
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1026 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2003 : 7:05:25 PM
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We're all not going to die. If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. People use this logic to inject fear into people's hearts. It is basic authoritaian idealogical psuedo-logic:
Attack Iraq: You live vs. Don't Attack: EVERYBODY DIES!!!!
It's just like the stupidity of an "Axis of Evil." The world is not as black and white as some people percieve it to be.
I agree w/ PJK, the war on poverty and crime, improving education, and strengthening culteral diversity should be top priority. Instead, we're measuring national penis sizes. Weeeeeeeee! |
Robots are the enemy? Hmm... |
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CPPJames
Yak Addict
Fyro Macedonia
800 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2003 : 8:03:33 PM
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No, I don't think we're all going to die. Do I take the idealistic approach that Iraq could never possibly harm the US because we're high and mighty? Nope. With the vast expanse of unguarded borders, it would incredibly simple to bring chemical, biological or nuclear weapons to the US, undetected. Do I think everyone's going to die? Obviously not. Do I think a very large number of Americans could die? Yup. Granted, the administration may be using it as propoganda to sway a few opinions...but don't tell me that you're naive enough to believe that the oceans still protect us.
I'd personally rather be poor and not worrying that I might be the target of a terrorist attack than to be well off and have an element of fear in my day to day life. No, I don't necessarily worry everytime I drive over a bridge or entered a crowded arena that I'm going to be attacked. Yes, the thought does cross my mind and it does leave me ill at ease.
Cliché as it is, 9-11 proved that this country is incredibly vulnerable and way too naive. I don't have a lick of faith in "Homeland Security". If we wanted to keep all of our borders completely secure, half our population would work for customs. The only way to solve this problem, in my opinion, is to be pro-active about it. I refuse to sweep it all under the rug and think "Well, that was a one time thing. We're even now, they won't attack again". Some of those bastards truly hate us and will go to any length to see us die. I, for one, want to kill them first. |
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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Fleabass76
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1026 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2003 : 8:07:38 PM
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| No, I'm not that naive. That was not what I was saying. I was using your comment as an example of the ridiculous reasoning that has been used to justify this conflict, and I'm not saying all the reasoning has been ridiculous. I'm not going to restate my comments on my feelings on Iraq as a threat. It doesn't matter anymore anyway. |
Robots are the enemy? Hmm... |
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CPPJames
Yak Addict
Fyro Macedonia
800 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2003 : 8:10:57 PM
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Sorry for the after reply edit  . I enjoy debates, even though they rarely change minds on issues like these. |
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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victorwootenfan
Alien Abductee
USA
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Fleabass76
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1026 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2003 : 11:17:38 PM
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Originally posted by CPPJames
I'd personally rather be poor and not worrying that I might be the target of a terrorist attack than to be well off and have an element of fear in my day to day life.
If you actually were poor, and living in an urban area, you would have both of these things.
I agree VWF, weed shouldn't be a target of the war on drugs. |
Robots are the enemy? Hmm... |
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CPPJames
Yak Addict
Fyro Macedonia
800 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2003 : 09:37:37 AM
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| I'll take my chances against someone with a gun over someone with nerve gas. I'm not saying I lack sympathy for the poor, and yes...I do think it's a big problem. I'm just saying that right now, I think we have bigger problems. |
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2003 : 12:34:24 PM
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I was at the Philadelphia Flyers game last night (awesome game-GO FLYERS!!!) and at one point they put the pictures and names of local servicemen and women who are serving in Iraq on the big screen and paid tribute to them. Some gave their lives in this fight we only debated here on the board.
It was truely a moving moment. A group from the US Army was there at the game and everyone gave them a standing ovation as well. |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
2579 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2003 : 3:40:19 PM
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| Pretty cool! We did a retreat ceremony here at my base yesterday afternoon, and we found ourselves pretty somber as well. Watching the Stars and Stripes PLUS the POW/MIA flag being lowered and folded was almost like a new experience. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2003 : 5:19:31 PM
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| I can imagine that would be especially meaningful to you Teri. Jeez I just feel so bad for the POW's and their families. One of the soldiers on the screen last night is a POW. I honestly can't imagine what that would be like. |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
2579 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2003 : 05:56:13 AM
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In bittersweet news, I saw on CNN today that the Arizona governor has suggested re-naming a local mountain known as Squaw Peak with the name of Lori Piestewa (pronounced py-ESS-tuh-wah), the KIA Hopi solider. I think that is way cool.
Apparently there has been much fighting for years over what to call the mountain (and the nearby highway which uses the same name) since so many Indians are offended by the name. This solves the problem and honors an American soldier/mom at the same time.
It's also alliterative, which I like: Piestewa Peak
Here's a link to the
Yahoo!News story |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
2579 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2003 : 05:59:32 AM
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Originally posted by PJK
AHHHH Fluffy where are you? I am not used to starting a second page, I always think of you doing that!
You could always copy the "Fluffy For Life" image location from one of Fluffy's other post and then edit it into your post. You could put "in honor of Fluffy" or something  |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2003 : 09:07:10 AM
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Ah Teri great idea! Thanks! I am going to try that, hope it works!
Help Teri! It isn't working for me! I can get the words but not the image! Ahhhhh! I feel so computer challenged someTIMes! |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
2579 Posts |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2003 : 9:18:49 PM
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Thanks Teri! I couldn't have done it without your help! It wasn't as hard as I thought! Once I found out how to do it!hehe |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
2579 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2003 : 10:17:15 PM
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| I'M SO HAPPY THEY FOUND THE 7 POWs!!! |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2003 : 10:51:40 PM
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Me too, one was from just across the river in NJ, he was one of the ones whose picture was up on the bigscreen at the First Union Center Friday night.
Honestly I thought they were all dead! So glad that wasn't the case! There really are miracles! |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
2579 Posts |
Posted - 04/14/2003 : 03:37:19 AM
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| We must be a couple of pessimists. I'm glad we were wrong too! |
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victorwootenfan
Alien Abductee
USA
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victorwootenfan
Alien Abductee
USA
2128 Posts |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
2579 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2003 : 8:37:05 PM
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There was a cool news story on Channel 4 in San Jose about a female A-10 pilot who took ground fire over Baghdad and still managed to land her plane.
Here's a link to the streaming video if you're interested:
http://video.kron4.com/?clip=1181529 |
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Fleabass76
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1026 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2003 : 8:58:09 PM
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| A-10's are wicked awesome. A huge flying gun, pilot sits in a titanium bathtub. Wicked. |
Robots are the enemy? Hmm... |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
2579 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2003 : 9:06:56 PM
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| That must be why her call sign is "KC" for Killer Chick! |
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whos pro-war or anti-war here?
