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UND269
Is Anybody Here?
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 Posted - 09/03/2002 : 4:54:51 PM
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I'm a pretty big fan of dave and im just starting to listen to more of tim. I've been playing guitar for about a year now and i think i play pretty well for this amount of time. I am trying to learn Stream, one of my favorite songs, and im finding its really hard to play. I was just wondering how many people can play it, and how long have they been playing guitar for. Im just curious to see how long it will take me before i can advance to this skill. Thanks.
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Jamie M
Chatterbox
Canada
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Posted - 09/03/2002 : 6:11:58 PM
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I have been playing for close to 2.5 years and I still cannot play it...But I have spent very little time on it. About once a month I sit down for about an hour and practise it. Sometimes I think I'm getting it, but just get bored because I feel so far off. Personally I find Tim's fingerpicking songs alot more fun, as long as you have a good tab.
What tab for Stream are you using?
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pcbTIM
Alien Abductee
USA
6501 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2002 : 10:04:45 PM
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I've been playing for about 2.5 years too......and I can't play Stream (well), but I can play some of his other works like Decline In Reason, As Far As We Can See, Los Alamos is Burning, To Touch Yearning, Jemez Rolling Waves, etc. I'd suggest trying some of these before you tackle Stream
"A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable but more useful than a life spent doing nothing." - George Bernard Shaw |
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Street-Samurai
Is Anybody Here?
USA
37 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2002 : 11:12:38 PM
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I've beeen playing for almost 2 years and Stream is a ways off for me. My left hand(and my right) just can't go that fast. I could do a sorry version of it but that just makes me sad. Like Jamie I find Tim's fingerpicked songs(see above) more fun to play. Don't get me wrong I think Stream is an awesome song but it's Tim's fingerpickin' that makes me wanna cry.
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pcbTIM
Alien Abductee
USA
6501 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2002 : 11:56:26 PM
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The key to improvement with every one of these exercises
is to be consistent. Do not increase speed on any of them
until you can play them perfectly at any given speed. Once
you are flawless at one speed, take it up a notch and practice
until you are perfect at a faster speed, and so on.
Finger Exercise 1: Alternate picking
|------------------------------------------1-2-3-4-------|
|----------------------------------1-2-3-4---------------|
|--------------------------1-2-3-4-----------------------|
|------------------1-2-3-4-------------------------------|
|----------1-2-3-4---------------------------------------|
|--1-2-3-4-----------------------------------------------|
|--4-3-2-1-----------------------------------------------|
|----------4-3-2-1---------------------------------------|
|------------------4-3-2-1-------------------------------|
|--------------------------4-3-2-1-----------------------|
|----------------------------------4-3-2-1---------------|
|------------------------------------------4-3-2-1-------|
Then repeat starting at the 2nd fret, and so forth all
the way up the neck.
Exercise 2: Hammering
|--------------------------------0h2h3-------------------|
|--------------------------0h2h3-------------------------|
|--------------------0h2h3-------------------------------|
|--------------0h2h3-------------------------------------|
|--------0h2h3-------------------------------------------|
|--0h2h3-------------------------------------------------|
Try this using each pair of fingers that you can. Also try
moving the hammers farther apart. Rather than just hammering
from 0->2->3, try 0->2->4 or 0->2->5 or 0->2->6. Once you
are comfortable with starting from an open string, start on
the first fret, and repeat, going up the entire neck.
Again, feel free to widen the hammer.
Exercise 3: Hammering
|-----------------------------------------1h2h3h4--------|
|---------------------------------1h2h3h4----------------|
|-------------------------1h2h3h4------------------------|
|-----------------1h2h3h4--------------------------------|
|---------1h2h3h4----------------------------------------|
|-1h2h3h4------------------------------------------------|
Then, as with the alternate picking exercise, repeat
starting at the 2nd fret, and so forth all the way
up the neck.
Exercise 4: Pulling
|--3p2p0-------------------------------------------------|
|--------3p2p0-------------------------------------------|
|--------------3p2p0-------------------------------------|
|--------------------3p2p0-------------------------------|
|--------------------------3p2p0-------------------------|
|--------------------------------3p2p0-------------------|
Again, as with the first hammering exercise, use every pair
of fingers that you can, and also move the frets you are
pulling off of farther apart.
Exercise 5: Pulling
|--4p3p2p1-----------------------------------------------|
|----------4p3p2p1---------------------------------------|
|------------------4p3p2p1-------------------------------|
|--------------------------4p3p2p1-----------------------|
|----------------------------------4p3p2p1---------------|
|------------------------------------------4p3p2p1-------|
Once again, repeat starting one fret up, and so forth all
the way up the neck.
Exercise 6: Hand control
|-----------------------------------------------2-5-12-9-|
|--------------------------------------2-5-12-9----------|
|-----------------------------1-5-12-9-------------------|
|--------------------2-5-12-9----------------------------|
|-----------2-5-12-9-------------------------------------|
|--2-5-12-9----------------------------------------------|
The idea of this one is to have to quickly move your hand
from one position on the fretboard to another that is
"far" away. The frets don't matter, so much as the distance,
and you can add in another position change if you like that
would take you from high on the fretboard back down low.
This will help develop control for playing songs that require
you to make long slides, or have chords that are in far
positions from each other.
"A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable but more useful than a life spent doing nothing." - George Bernard Shaw |
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Jamie M
Chatterbox
Canada
404 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2002 : 7:59:20 PM
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I don't know about everyone else, but I can't seem to spend more than a minute or two on practice stuff like that. It turns me off guitar so much. It's the same with trying to learn Stream, I'm just so far off, I get too bored. I love playing guitar when you can see progress, like learning a new song I really like.
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pcbTIM
Alien Abductee
USA
6501 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2002 : 8:45:59 PM
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That's how I feel. I hate it when people give up guitar, or any instrument for that matter, just because they have a teacher who never taught them a song and only techniques, chords, and scales. So they get turned off and never play again. I mean, imagine telling someone that you've played guitar for a year. Then they ask what songs you can play......and you can't answer.
However, if you make yourself do those exercises, then it isn't as bad because no one's forcing you do to it.
"A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable but more useful than a life spent doing nothing." - George Bernard Shaw |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2002 : 9:42:45 PM
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studying the technique of guitar can be boring, but in the end it only helps you. i know way many who pick up a guitar, say "this is too hard" and quit. no good. be patient. i must keep reminding myself of this.
You cannot pass. I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. The Dark Fire will not avail you, flame of Udun. Go back to the Shadow. You shall not pass. |
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captain_napkins
Is Anybody Here?
31 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2002 : 9:38:51 PM
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The only way I've managed to play Stream is through a good guitar tab and LOTS of masturbation.
Actually, it's really about muscle repetition in your fretting hand. The toughest part of playing that song is most of the stuff near the beginning. The opening riff stuff. There is a distinct pattern you have to learn and follow. If your pinky isn't developed, forget about it for about a year. Make SURE to do pinky exercises if you want to learn this song. I used the guitar tab for Dave and Tim Live at Luther. It's got some cool-sounding parts that are pretty easy to play. Good luck! |
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pcbTIM
Alien Abductee
USA
6501 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2002 : 03:51:04 AM
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I'd suggest trying to play the riff from Signs off of Light Up Ahead by TR3.......damn!
"A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable but more useful than a life spent doing nothing." - George Bernard Shaw |
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UND269
Is Anybody Here?
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Posted - 09/09/2002 : 11:50:02 PM
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Thanks alot guys, real helpful especially those finger exercises i've been doin them for a few days and ive noticed that my pinky is moving alot better. Someone said something about finger picking and i just wanna say alot of ben harpers songs are good to learn to develop finger picking, thats how i learned.
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