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Fluffy
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 Posted - 01/19/2002 : 12:06:58 PM
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Well, since the board seems to think I am overreacting to Isaacs slanderous comments, I shall remove myself from the equation. Carry on as you were as if this little spat had never occurred. Sorry again for trying to educate young Isaac. Whether you believe or not my intentions were noble. Just so everyone knows, I did feel bad and have already apologized to pcbdmb and the rest of the board in another topic. Here is the link:
http://www.timreynolds.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=925
Sorry I took so much offense to Isaacs PERSONAL comments. Although if each one of you stops to think about it and tries to put yourself in my shoes, you would see how his insulting comments could not be disreguarded. Once again I am sorry if you all got drug into this. It really has become a PERSONAL matter between Isaac and I. You all were just lucky enuf to come along the ride. Let it end here with me. The BOARD has spoken and "I" was out of line.
Peace & Keep the Faith
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dirtysloth
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 01/19/2002 : 1:57:12 PM
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Please say I'm wrong for interpreting this as Fluffy's not going to post on the message board any more("Fluffy gone" seems to imply that). Even if you were out of line(emphasis on IF), we're a sympathetic, intelligent group of people and I know I forgive you, and I'm sure everyone else does too... c'mon guys/girls, a show of hands?
Peace,
Patrick
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LizT
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 01/19/2002 : 2:19:09 PM
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Fluffy, please keep posting!!!! I have missed you! This board is not the same without you!
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pants_happy
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Posted - 01/19/2002 : 2:23:25 PM
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FLuffy,
I know that my words probably won't mean anything, but i respect you and your stand on most of the issues in the "god clairify's no killing..." most i said, but that's just because i have my own opinions on things. i don't know what you meant when you said you'd be dead soon, but you are one of the nicest people that i've met, but that's just my opinion. i'm not against Isaac (and i'm sure you're not either), i think he can be funny when he wants to be and also a friend to people on this board. like your's and Isaac's arguments against each other, i've had many arguments with my brother about something that i consider extremely sacred: God. he doesn't believe in him and says fuck him, but i have to take his comments in stride, partly because he is my brother, and partly because even though he refuses to even listen to anyone about this subject i have the hope that some knowledge will someday change his mind. even if i would lay down historical facts in front of him, he would just call them a lie and wouldn't even read them. he just has to come to know for himself what he believes. time may change his mind, but it may also set him even more into his ways. what Isaac believes now might be what he believes when he's 40,but there's always the chance that something could come along that would change his mind dramatically, such as him having a good friend that happens to have Indian herritage. maybe just by you being his friend, he will eventually discover the facts for himself.i say this because good friends seem to have a certain empathy toward each other and know where each other is comming from. where facts laid in front of him may not have any effect, friendship might. i know that you have tried to be his friend, even when his opinions differed from yours, and i hope that you will be friends again.
i'm sorry for blabbering on, but i do hope that both of you will see the good in each other, and at least some relevence in each's arguments.
pants_happy
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LizT
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 01/19/2002 : 2:34:32 PM
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Fluffy, you are part of the reason I post here. You take your own time to share with everyone just about anything we want to know about TIM and an added bonus of entertaining us. I enjoy the humor, it's much appreciated! You certainly don't have to apologize for expressing you feelings. I commend you for your compassion in trying to share your feelings. You know the old saying, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink! I have decided when I encounter people like that, it's just not worth the time or the stress. You deserve another guitar for the effort! You know who your friends are and you can count me as one of them!!! Liz
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Silky The Pimp
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 01/19/2002 : 3:18:06 PM
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Having now read the entire thread that this shit storm started over... I'm going to have to go on record as to say that this is absolutely retarted.
Fluffy, I sincerely hope that you will just be the bigger man on this one... you know for a fact that we all love it when you are here because you bring a VERY unique feel to this board. It would be like if this were a Mustang website and the VP to Ford frequented to talk with the people interested in the cars. If it hasn't been painfully apparent in the past based on all the "Thanks Fluffy" or "Isn't it cool how Fluffy..." topics the VAST majority of people here all want you around. For you to say that you consider most of the regulars here on the board to be your friends, and then to ditch them all because one person pissed you off... well that is just silly. Though I've only met you once for about 5 minutes, that's not to say that you can't learn things about a person through the things they write here. Everyone knows things about each other regardless of whether they've met or not here. We've now all learned that you have a bit of a temper when someone pushes you too far... not criticizing, just making an observation. We can all observe that Liz likes peace rather than tension... same with Black Lotus, whom I also think it is foolish for him to leave. We all know that Xar has a very dry sense of humor... I can't lay off sarcasm... Crash likes to smoke up... Isaac is a menace when drunk... etc. etc. etc. My point is that these differences are essential, or things would be very boring. There would be no shock value... there would be no line to be crossed. It was only a matter of time before 2 people were to butt heads... but that doesn't mean that all parties involved should leave. What would YOU say if you weren't involved... if it were two completely different people on the board, both of whom you personally liked, and all parties involved flew off the handle and said they were leaving. Would you urge them to get the hell out? Would YOU want them to leave?
-J
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KevinLesko
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 01/19/2002 : 3:30:05 PM
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like I mentioned in a previous topic, I have yet to read the "god" post so I really have no comment on the whole situation since I don't know anything about it.
but with that said, Fluffy leaving is a bad thing no mater how you slice it.
I also dont think there is much more we can say as to how much we all respect Fluffy, heck just look at how many posts there have been that simply say "Fluffy Rules"
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pcbTIM
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 01/19/2002 : 4:03:35 PM
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With all this talk of Fluffy leaving, I would like to hear from Isaac. I haven't really read the god topic either (just skimmed through it) and I would like to hear his side of the story. I mean, if you read all the posts, we are all blaming Isaac (directly or indirectly) and we haven't heard anything from him. Now what he said in the god topic might have been completely out of line, I don't know. But I would like to see both side of the story before I make any futher judgments.
I think I'll have to set aside an entire day to read that epistle.
"War does not determine who is right, it determines who is left."
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babatunji
Is Anybody Here?
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Posted - 01/20/2002 : 07:28:12 AM
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WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?????
i am still a bit of a 'newbie' here, so maybe i shouldn't be so ready to sound off. but...
i, too, haven't completely read the god topic that has all our knickers in a bunch. but let me say this...
yes, true, isaac has frosted my gonads with a number of his insights (?), but a message board is a forum, simply that. an exchange of ideas. some opinions are contrary to ours, we have to try to respect those opinions, not get too pissed or take it too personally. with my first post, i got slammed...big time...and that's mmmkay. no reason to leave dodge.
perhaps we all need to approach this with a common respect for each other...whether or not we agree with each other.
FLUFFY!!! DON'T GO!!!
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2002 : 2:18:30 PM
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Hey Babatunji, I thought we had scared you away so I'm really glad to see you posting. Any friend of Evergreen's is a friend of mine!
teri 
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Saint Jude
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2002 : 3:37:57 PM
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Fluffy, you should not leave or have to apalogize.. (damn i wish i could spell) for reacting the way you did. I am extreemly happy to see someone else feel so strongly about more political issues. I myself can hardly even have a casual argument/talk with someone about Mumia Abu-Jamal without practicaly ripping their damn heads off. I did this to my best friend too, and we got over it, like i think you two should. not to say one was right or wrong, in fact i agree with you fulf rather then Issac (i didnt read everything but the jist of it i think i got), but leaving here doesnt solve the problem, infact i would love it for you to return to the page and give us as much knowladge that u can on said subject, and various others that you find important. Becasuse that is what humans are suposed to do, they are suposed to educate themselves and try to shape the world around them they way they see fit, and you cant do that if u run and hide.
please come back soon fluf.
"If ignorance is bliss, then whipe this smile off my fucking face" - RATM
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dirtysloth
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babatunji
Is Anybody Here?
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Posted - 01/21/2002 : 07:40:53 AM
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hiya tericee,
well, evergreen warned me that things can get a bit volatile on message boards (yes, up until now i was a board virgin). i have found some of the most enlightened individuals (fluffy, for instance) and, conversely, have read some positively inane and cruel posts that absolutely had me seething (you know who you are). but, that is the beauty and the nature of any forum. we'll never agree with everyone (thankfully---what a friggin' boring world that would be!). so, i'm strapped in and ready for the ride.
...and yes, any friend of evergreen's is truly a friend of mine, as well. she's an amazing creature!
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Fluffy
Administrator
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Posted - 01/21/2002 : 07:58:16 AM
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Liz K Said:quote:
You certainly don't have to apologize for expressing you feelings. I commend you for your compassion in trying to share your feelings. You know the old saying, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink! I have decided when I encounter people like that, it's just not worth the time or the stress.
Thanx for the kind words, but unfortunately I have to disagree with the last part. Although, unfortunately I am certainly inclined to agree with you on this one. But seriously, I think it is worth the time to try and educate others. I want to live in a world of free thinking people who make their own decisions and don't live by the spoon-fed propoganda they usually hear. I want people to have both sides of the picture. That way they can make a more informed decision. I will agree that it is not worth the stress. As I have stress about this for far too long and it has started to invade every aspect of my life. That is a bad thing. B4 this whole post crisis, I was in the best possible mood. My job situation was better than every, by personal life was better than ever, and I was happier than I had ever been in the past 15 years, as a whole. Unfortunately, I have taken this whole thing way to seriously and personnally. I wish I could have let it go. Unfortunately, I feel very strongly about it and it is not in my nature, although it sounds like it would have been better for everyone involved, including me. Now I find myself in a serious depression because of it all, and it is all over a stupid fucking post. HOW STUPID. It does not change the way I feel, it just makes me realize more I seriously I take it. Maybe to seriously, I don't know. I just wish I could go back in time and erase the whole situation. If I had thought about or known the outcome I certainly would have dropped it along time ago. It is not worth all the hubbub it has become. For that, I am sorry.
Pantshappy Said:quote:
. i'm not against Isaac (and i'm sure you're not either), i think he can be funny when he wants to be and also a friend to people on this board.
I am glad someone sees this. It was never about being "against Isaac" or "brainwashing Isaac" or "hating Isaac and his beliefs". It was about educating Isaac to more facts, ideas and concepts. Unfortunately it spiraled out of control and we find ourselves in this mess where both Black Lotus and Isaac have disappeared. It was never my intention to drive people from the board and I am crushed that my behavior has resulted in that. I hope they will be the bigger men and return to the board and not let this drive them away. I would sooner leave than tear you guys apart.
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Fluffy, I sincerely hope that you will just be the bigger man on this one...
Thanx for all the kind words, but I don't think it is about being the bigger man. At the risk of being accused of thinking I am better than anyone else or putting myself on a pedastal, I feel I was the bigger man thru the whole "God" post. Then when he got personal, I acted like a child. I am not leaving out of anger, I am leaving cause I think it is in the best interest of the board. I am not walking away from it because I can't handle it, I am walking away so I do not ruin this wonderful thing we have here on the board. I also feel that I now have to defend every comment I make so it will not be misconstrued or misunderstood, basically I am uncomfortable posting on the board because I now see how easy it is to offend or have comments taken out of context. I used to feel I could say whatever I wanted and did not have to worry about offending anyone. That is gone for me and I feel it is at least partially my fault. Again I am sorry for changing the dynamic of the board, the one thing that kept me coming back. I feel like I have crushed the spirit of the board, and I feel like a piece of shit. SORRY!!
pcbdmb Said:quote:
. I haven't really read the god topic either (just skimmed through it) and I would like to hear his side of the story. I mean, if you read all the posts, we are all blaming Isaac (directly or indirectly) and we haven't heard anything from him. Now what he said in the god topic might have been completely out of line, I don't know. But I would like to see both side of the story before I make any futher judgments.
There is no blame to be placed here. I certainly hope noone blames Isaac. If you read the post I think you will see what I am talking about. I don't know why everyone always feels they have to blame someone. There is NO BLAME for this situation, except maybe my uncontrollable temper in these situations. I also would like to hear from Isaac. I think his side in this is invalualble, since he is the other person involved. I hope I have not driven him away from the board. That would be a horrible thing and something that I will have to live with. I would feel horrible. To have destroyed the friendship between the board and Isaac. He made me laugh many times and considered him a friend. Friends should be able to work out their differences or at least be able to come to an agreement to agree to disagree and go on with being friends. Unfortunately it did not go that way. I don't know what else I can do. Every option I have examined seems to have a negative outcome. The worst of which is how I changed the dynamic of the board and drove people away. Again I am sorry for that.
babtunji Said:quote:
yes, true, isaac has frosted my gonads with a number of his insights (?), but a message board is a forum, simply that. an exchange of ideas. some opinions are contrary to ours, we have to try to respect those opinions, not get too pissed or take it too personally. with my first post, i got slammed...big time...and that's mmmkay. no reason to leave dodge.
perhaps we all need to approach this with a common respect for each other...whether or not we agree with each other.
I always respect the opinions of others and I did not get too pissed at his opinions. I did not take his opinions as a personal attack. If you go back to the "God" post, I think you will see there was a personal attack leveled against me and that was when I lost it. IF I am wrong, please let me know, as I feel it was a personal attack. I encourage everyone to have their own ideas and opinions and even when I disagree I have never lost it. I think my past posts will prove that. I have disagreed with many on the board. It was never a big thing. It still isn't and should not become one. Although I believe that by my actions I have changed that. I am afraid the board will never be the same because of it and I feel horrible that it was my actions that brought about this horrible change. I would love to see the board go on as b4, but I am a pessimist and believe I have ruined it for all involved. Again, I am sorry for that.(Geez, I am fucking tired of saying I am sorry! HEHE)
Saint Jude Said:quote:
I did this to my best friend too, and we got over it, like i think you two should. not to say one was right or wrong, in fact i agree with you fulf rather then Issac (i didnt read everything but the jist of it i think i got), but leaving here doesnt solve the problem, infact i would love it for you to return to the page and give us as much knowladge that u can on said subject, and various others that you find important. Becasuse that is what humans are suposed to do, they are suposed to educate themselves and try to shape the world around them they way they see fit, and you cant do that if u run and hide.
I would love for Isaac and I to get past this. But based on his comments towards me I don't think he can and I have not seen anything from him showing he cares at all about getting past it. That is unfortunate. I am glad you and your friend were able to agree to disagree. I do not think that leaving here will solve anything. Except maybe to allow everyone else to go on as b4 and maybe get the board back to the dynamic that made it so great. I hoped that by my leaving Isaac and members like Black Lotus would not feel a need to leave. Black Lotus was having a great time b4 I went off and then he said I had changed the whole feeling on the board so he had to leave. That is what I feel worst about. That I caused people to leave. That I changed the attitude of the board. Just so ya know, I am not running and hiding. If I was gonna do that I would have dropped that discussion in the "God" post long ago. I hope, as evidenced by the "God" post, I am not someowe who runs and hides from a confrontation. To me the confrontation is over and I feel leaving would be best for the board. I feel everyone sees me as the "BAD GUY" in this and that is a lousy way to feel, when I was only stating MY facts. Then when I was attacked, I reacted, albiet badly, but that is just my nature, to defend my character when attacked. I stand up for myself and my beliefs, and that seems to have made me the "BAD GUY". My hope was that if I left the board could go on as b4 without any ill-will among the members and nobody trying to place the blame or pointing fingers. As evidenced by my continually return to answer these comments, I am not "running" or "hiding" from MY actions. I am just trying to help everyone understand them. My sister has seen me overreact thru my entire life to what most would consider the most minor of situations. I overreacted as recently as LA when my laptop crashed and my hair caught on fire. My sister once lost $100, she came to see me at the store and I freaked when she told me. I overreact sometimes, I know this about myself. It really sucks to have to apologize for yourself over and over again when you know what you did was wrong and you wish you could take it all back. It's my personality flaw and I apologize for it.
Peace & Keep the Faith
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Fluffy
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Posted - 01/21/2002 : 10:15:13 AM
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To the top!!
Peace & Keep the Faith
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Silky The Pimp
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 01/21/2002 : 1:56:54 PM
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Fluff-man... you have not changed anything about the board. It's very cool of you to say that you probably flew off the handle a bit too much... but at the same time, for someone else to leave because of a conflict that didn't even involve them is an overreaction of equal size. I for one completely disagree with Black Lotus in the sense that I don't think that the board has changed one bit. The only thing that has changed is that you got into a big argument with Isaac. How does that change the dynamic of EVERYONE on the board? So you went a little post crazy afterwards... big deal. I was surprised, and like everyone else, thought it seemed to be out of character. But should you feel uncomfortable posting here now because of it? Hell no! Did anyone HONESTLY believe that this board would go on forever without a single falling out between 2 people? It was bound to happen. If you want my 2 cents (and I KNOW you do), I think you have taken Isaacs comments far too close to your heart, because I think there is a very BIG difference between comments made in DEFENSE mode vs. OFFENSE mode. I think Isaac may have fealt as though he was being put down, so he reacted in his own defense... much like you did afterwards because you feel as though you were attacked. Of course I don't know, but maybe you should ask yourself if you would have said all those things if you weren't backed into a corner... and on the other side of the equation what if that is how Isaac fealt as well? That doesn't change the fact that all those things were said, but it never hurts to look at a situation from all possible directions... I'm sure you will agree with that.
I know I can tell as an "outsider" looking in on that discussion that there was a turning point about half way down the page where you started to show your frustration, and Isaac interpreted it as if you were taking a "holier than thou" stance aimed directly at him. Please note the word interpretation, because I think initially nobody was out to piss each other off, but through the beauty of interpretation, or maybe in this case, MISinterpretation, such negative things can occur. He then reacted to what he fealt was going on... you reacted... he reacted... etc. etc. etc. until a shitstorm was a'brewin. Who knows who really took first offense. It makes no difference whether he fealt he was being attacked first or you, but I think that there was no offense intended until one of you two INTERPRETED things as being nasty. There is absolutely no blame to be had by any party. But what I would hope that YOU would see, is that if two people have a problem in a larger community, that doesn't mean that they have to feel like outcasts. When 2 people get into an argument in a city... do they leave the city? Fluff it's not like you said, "Fuck this board and everyone who's on it... I hate you all... die a painful death and rot in hell." You made it very clear that your beef is with one person, and for that there is no reason to feel awkward or like you've ruined anything, because I think you are holding Black Lotus' comments to be those of the entire board, but I think he overreacted, and I don't think his opinions are neccessarily those of the board as a whole, certainly not mine.
So here we are a few days later, and you now feel that you've somehow tainted the entire board. Well I think that rather than doing that thing that you've already shunned called ASSUMING, that maybe you should ask all we regulars if we think you should feel awkward, or if we feel that it would "be in the best interest of the board" for you to leave. I know most people won't have read this small novel here, but if my opinion means anything, I say there is no reason for you to feel you should leave, and I would consider you leaving being probably the most detrimental thing to this board that is possible. Nothing is in upheaval, just remember that the first time something happens, it always seems bigger than it really is. If you don't believe me, think about how big a deal it was to have sex your first time... now think about the 50th. So the first argument has graced this otherwise euphoric board and it seems like a much bigger deal than it really is... I say it was bound to happen... shit happens... EVERYONE quit overreacting and let's get on with it! Even if you think I'm a complete fool for everything I've said, my only request is that if you think that it would be best for the board, as a whole, for you to leave, maybe just consider asking the board, as a whole, first?
Peace and hope to have you around for a long time to come.
-Jeff
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Fluffy
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Posted - 01/21/2002 : 4:33:39 PM
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Silky Said:quote:
How does that change the dynamic of EVERYONE on the board?
Maybe it is me just being overly sensitive but "I" feel that it can never be the same. Maybe it can never be the same for me. I concede that this is possible. I am uncomfortable posting and feel like I have to walk on eggshells. I feel like no one understands any of this, and that by my outburst I have tainted the good nature of the board.
Silky Said:quote:
So you went a little post crazy afterwards... big deal. I was surprised, and like everyone else, thought it seemed to be out of character.
Well Silky, you are the only one who seems to have voiced that opinion. Others were not so understanding of my outburst. They feel I have "changed the whole feeling on the board". I never intended for this to happen.
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But should you feel uncomfortable posting here now because of it? Hell no!
Well, unfortunately, I do. That is something that is in my head. I feel like I have to watch every word I post, quote people so as noone misunderstands me, choose every word so carefully as to not offend, etc etc etc. The fun is gone FOR ME.
Silky Said:quote:
If you want my 2 cents (and I KNOW you do), I think you have taken Isaacs comments far too close to your heart, because I think there is a very BIG difference between comments made in DEFENSE mode vs. OFFENSE mode. I think Isaac may have fealt as though he was being put down, so he reacted in his own defense... much like you did afterwards because you feel as though you were attacked. Of course I don't know, but maybe you should ask yourself if you would have said all those things if you weren't backed into a corner...
I never felt backed into a corner. I only said those things because I felt personally attacked. I understand your points about Defense and Offense modes. Maybe Isaac did feel attacked. I don't know you will have to ask him. I never attacked him until he attacked me. If he took offense to my comments, I have apologized for that. I never meant them as anything more than education. The ones he misinterpreted I corrected and tried to apologize for the misunderstanding. He never bothered to read those or any of my subsequent posts. Or if he did he felt no compulsion to comment on them. But I NEVER felt backed into a corner, I felt attacked. You can go read his words and tell me if you think I am wrong, but I think he got personal in a discussion about issues.
Silky Said:quote:
and on the other side of the equation what if that is how Isaac fealt as well? That doesn't change the fact that all those things were said, but it never hurts to look at a situation from all possible directions... I'm sure you will agree with that.
It may have been how Isaac felt but he seems to be unwilling to talk about it. I on the other hand, have talked until I am blue in the face about it, because the board is important to me. I want it to be the great thing that it was. You are right, and I commend you for bringing up alot of these points. You have made me rethink alot of things. I really appreciate that.
Silky said:quote:
Who knows who really took first offense. It makes no difference whether he fealt he was being attacked first or you, but I think that there was no offense intended until one of you two INTERPRETED things as being nasty.
I would guess Isaac would say he felt attacked first. Then he attacked me as his defense. Then I attacked him in defense. The bottom line is I did not attack him until he attacked me. I understand your comments on INTERPRETED. They are very wise, but the interpretation of ideas is no excuse for a personal attack. He interpreted my words as an attack, and then attacked me. I did not have to interpret his words to see them as an attack. Read them for yourself. He called me a liar, brainwasher, etc etc etc. There really is no room for interpretation. Those are attacks on my character.
Silky Said:quote:
There is absolutely no blame to be had by any party.
And I am certainly not blaming anyone for the state of affairs we find ourselves in now but myself, for my overreaction to his attack. I do not blame Isaac and I would hope that noone else does, as I have already stated elsewhere.
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But what I would hope that YOU would see, is that if two people have a problem in a larger community, that doesn't mean that they have to feel like outcasts. When 2 people get into an argument in a city... do they leave the city?
Put to me like this I see your point, only I must reinterate, I am not leaving because of the disagreement. I am leaving because I feel uncomfortable making comments and interacting with everyone. Isaac may be leaving because of the discussion he sees as an argument. I never saw it as an argument or a disagreement. I am not leaving because of an argument, I am leaving because I feel misunderstood and that noone understands me. If you are in room with a bunch of people with like ideas and they do not understand you, would you hang around if you felt like they were thinking you were an idiot and therefore felt you had to watch every word you said? I am just not comfortable here any longer. If you feel uncomfortable you leave. It has nothing to do with the discussion, disagreement or argument, or whatever whoever wants to call it.
Silky Said:quote:
Fluff it's not like you said, "Fuck this board and everyone who's on it... I hate you all... die a painful death and rot in hell." You made it very clear that your beef is with one person, and for that there is no reason to feel awkward or like you've ruined anything, because I think you are holding Black Lotus' comments to be those of the entire board, but I think he overreacted, and I don't think his opinions are neccessarily those of the board as a whole, certainly not mine.
You have another very good point here. I may have projected Black Lotus' comments onto the entire board. Again I am sorry for this. Thanx for bringing it to my attention. But as someone who has read EVERY post, I have rubbed alot of people the wrong way. I may not have rubbed everyone as wrong as I rubbed Black Lotus, but there is a tension in the board that I created and that affects everyone. I am very glad to hear that it is not your opinion. I thank you for the vote of confidence.
Silky Said:quote:
So here we are a few days later, and you now feel that you've somehow tainted the entire board. Well I think that rather than doing that thing that you've already shunned called ASSUMING, that maybe you should ask all we regulars if we think you should feel awkward, or if we feel that it would "be in the best interest of the board" for you to leave.
I thought that is what I had done. I have read ALL the posts and there is a tension that was brought on by me and my comments. That would indicate to me that I have tainted the board. People have already left, that would indicate that I have tainted the board. People who were not even involved were driven away by my comments. That is not a good feeling. In fact it sucks!! I feel like a piece of shit! I don't like feeling like a piece of shit, and that is how I feel here on the board.
Silky Said:quote:
. I know most people won't have read this small novel here,
Take it from someone who knows, they won't. They seem to find what they want to read and ignore the lengthier posts. Maybe I should have made all my posts in 2 sentence comments so people would read them. I am really not sure why I bother to post them if no one reads them. I am sure this contributes to my wanting to leave. I spend much time responding to and answering posts and no one reads them. They comment on things that I have already answered elsewhere, but because they did not take the time to read it I am made to feel like the "BAD GUY". Again, not a great feeling.
Silky Said:quote:
but if my opinion means anything, I say there is no reason for you to feel you should leave, and I would consider you leaving being probably the most detrimental thing to this board that is possible.
Your opinion means quite alot, since you seem more up on the subject than most of the others. I am glad you feel like there is no reason I should feel like I need to leave. I am truly glad it has not affected you to the point that it has ruined the board for you. Unfortunately, this whole debacle has ruined it for me. It has soured me on typing responses and has reinforced what I already believed, which is that a conversation should be carried on in person. Easier to get your point across that way and certainly easier to solve when a misunderstanding arises. The fear of being misunderstood and having someone lash out at me the way Isaac did pervades my every keystroke. I am sorry you feel my leaving will be so detrimental to the board. How is my leaving anymore detrimental than Isaac's or Black Lotus'? I believe that my staying will have a more negative effect, than positive. I will forever be thought of as "the guy who you can't have a discussion with", he might blow up at you. People will censor themselves in discussions for fear of "The Wrath of Fluffy". If I remove myself from the equation, things can go on as normal. Nobody has to watch what they say or be careful around Fluffy.
Silky Said:quote:
Nothing is in upheaval, just remember that the first time something happens, it always seems bigger than it really is. If you don't believe me, think about how big a deal it was to have sex your first time... now think about the 50th. So the first argument has graced this otherwise euphoric board and it seems like a much bigger deal than it really is...
In this case, it may seem bigger to me because I am involved and the one who caused it. I recognize that I may be making this out to be bigger than it is. But I do not think it is small enuf to go unanswered or ignored.
Silky Said:quote:
I say it was bound to happen... shit happens... EVERYONE quit overreacting and let's get on with it!
Here, Here, good advice, I hope you will all take it. Don't let this thing bring down such a beautiful thing.
Silky Said:quote:
Even if you think I'm a complete fool for everything I've said,
Quite the contrary, I think you make excellent points and I am glad you took the time to post them. I appreciate the concern on your part. You made your case very admirably. Thank you for stepping up to the plate and letting me know how you feel. It is the only way that I can make decisions properly, if I have all the facts and opinions. Your points have made me rethink many of my earlier decisions and feelings.
Silky Said:quote:
my only request is that if you think that it would be best for the board, as a whole, for you to leave, maybe just consider asking the board, as a whole, first?
You may be right on this one as well. Maybe that is the only fair way. But so far the board is to busy choosing sides or pointing fingers and I am the cause of all that. I cannot remain and feel good tainting that which I think is a beautiful thing. With me gone everyone can go on like it was before without worrying about this whole issue. Sorry again for dragging everyone into this downward spiral.
Peace & Keep the Faith
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Peace Restored...Fluffy Gone.
