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Hopeful Rolling Waves
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
 Posted - 02/12/2008 : 4:47:19 PM
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false. it's fine. puritan sports fans need to grow up. look at all the equipment in sports and how modern science and technology has improved on them. baseballs today are different from back when babe ruth was hitting home runs. golf clubs, football pads, baseball bats. all improved. even training has become better with advances in sports training. it has improved with our understanding of health and the human body.
is it not fair? is that your complaint? athletes from 50 years ago didn't get the precision training athletes get today. should athletes also train the same way they did in the 20s and 30s? where do you draw the line? should be go back to using older equipment? why do you single out the body?
an athlete's body isn't a temple. it's a tool, another piece of equipment. why not improve it as much as you can, to score the most points, or whatever else it takes to win. i'm not watch sports to see who is the most moral/pure whatever in their approach. i'm watching to see who puts of the most points on the board.
yeah there are obviously risks. some athlete's take those risks. others don't. each make their choice. why is one right and one wrong. if an athlete wants to wreck his body to be better at his job for a little bit, fine by me. pump him up and let him go out there and win.
look at it this way: you know how many musicians drink or do a drug because "it makes them better." you have a problem with that? you can't be against athletes taking drugs to make themselves play better and be ok with musicians taking drugs to make themselves play better. well, you can, but it either makes you irrational or a hypocrite. |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2008 : 5:44:22 PM
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Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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guitfiddler
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 02/12/2008 : 6:15:53 PM
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interesting points dan, but it boils down to the rules. say you have practiced your whole life, studied the game, followed the rules, then suddenly you're behind the game b/c you did't cheat. now this leads to everyone cheating. then, when does this cheating start?.. college? high school? little leauge? that is why it is a big deal.
I do agree, however, that this has become a bit annoying. the media has turned it into a whole he said she said rumor factory. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2008 : 12:31:33 PM
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you're right, the only real flaw in my argument is deciding for whom it's ok. obviously kids shouldn't be taking the 'roids. but letting pros but not college kids do them seems arbitrary.
i suppose you could make the distinction that for pro players, it's a job and for college and younger, it is not, so really they're just using the drugs to be better at their jobs. but that's weak rationale, and not really a great argument.
as far as i know, though, that's the only concern. a person who practices their whole life, studies the game and follows the rules makes a choice not to use steroids or other performance enhancing drugs. that choice caused them to fall behind. the only reason it's "cheating" is because of the overall puritanical mindset of sports fans.
also, the whole "role model" thing is bullshit. if your spawn imitates a sports player more than he or she listens to you, you fail. epic fail. |
death to false metal. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2008 : 02:58:12 AM
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| In pro sports I'm with dan I think. For college or any amateur sporting event including the olympics I'm very against it. Then again I think I'm just against the olympics anyway. |
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guitfiddler
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 02/14/2008 : 03:29:43 AM
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but to allow them into pro sports would be to legalize these drugs. these drugs really should not be legalized. they're addictive and you could end up looking like this guy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDtpJlW-Lj8
i think hgh and things of that nature are fine, but anabolic steroids are bad news. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2008 : 09:20:01 AM
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and therein lies the problem. guitfiddler is right. you can't like, semi-legalize anabolic steroids so that only pros can use them. you'd have to legalize them, and then there will be parents in texas pressuring their kid to take them because of high school football. you could put an age minimum on it, but what about the guys that go from high school to pro? and since when has age minimums stopped anything anyway?
you could make them wicked expensive, i guess. pros have just a ton of money where as children tend not to. or maybe you'd need a license to buy them? i don't know. no easy answer to it.
as i said though, i'm fine with pro athletes ending with health problems because of steroids. the only problem is how to keep it in the hands of pros, since i think the general consensus here is that no one else should be using them. |
death to false metal. |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 02/14/2008 : 10:21:03 AM
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Damn, I really wished that video showed his arms exploding. That would have been so metal.  |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2008 : 3:21:55 PM
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Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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guitfiddler
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 02/15/2008 : 02:21:53 AM
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this is as close to an arm exploding that you're gonna get. fast forward to 2:40 or so. prepare yourself, shit is nasty
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Drugs in Pro Sports: A Symposium (w/o the Booze)
