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rubylith
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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 Posted - 12/28/2007 : 02:14:21 AM
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| I do not support the war on drugs, and even play Barenaked Ladies' song War On Drugs all the time. But I will not vote for Ron Paul unless it stops Giuliani from being president. |
Not communicating can hurt more than any word that can be said -
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 12/28/2007 : 09:44:52 AM
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| Guiliani will not be president. Hilary has been "chosen" for the precidency. Ron Paul is our last hope. he is the only one in the non-evil Kucinich, Paul and Gravel group who could actually win. i love Kucinich but he is running out of money. Paul has a shot to win. And if he does there will be a lot of happy Grateful Dead fans out there.... |
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
Alien Abductee
South Sandwich Islands
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 12/29/2007 : 1:25:37 PM
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| Ron Paul obviously doesn't like government. Why does he want to be in it then? |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 12/29/2007 : 3:21:46 PM
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| He doesn't like the current state of government. He's hoping to get into it for the purpose of changing it and also in order to protect the constitution. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 12/30/2007 : 11:51:20 AM
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ron paul, like all good libertarians, is batshit fucking crazy loco. i like the idea of smaller government, too, and i agree a lot with him in philosophy. but i guess what people don't realize is that if you get rid of the doe, irs, homeland security, and everything else he wants to do away with, you'd essentially be laying off many many thousands of people at once. do you realize how many people these organizations employ? flooding the job market with as many people as getting rid of a bunch of departments is a disaster. if anything, you'd want to phase the departments out very slowly.
i also find his iraq policy to be unfeasible. considering the amount of people, resources and buildings we have there, you can't just be like "alright let's all go home now." it takes a lot of time. besides, we made that mess. that'd be like me coming to your house to fight an imaginary person, ruining all your shit and then going "well, that might have been a mistake. see ya." it's just bad form. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 12/30/2007 : 1:50:20 PM
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But dan the free market will fix everything. When people don't have to pay taxes and the tyranny of the government is lifted we will be free to live in a world of unregulated capitalism which will give freedom to all.
BTW that was all said with extreme sarcasm. I'm sorry but I feel like the reason he gets so much support is that he just talks about people not paying taxes and the government being bad. The problem is the the house introduces all money bills, not the president. The problem with this country is the people. We can no longer organize within our districts and educate people enough politically to elect decent representatives. IMO people should not be so pissed that they have to pay taxes but should be pissed at what their taxes are going for and fix them because social redistribution of money is necessary and has been in government even as far back as egypt. Leaving it up to private entities is ridiculous. The problem is with people not controlling their government because they don't know what it means to be a citizen.
As for the war I think yes we messed stuff up, but it might actually be worse with us staying there. I support getting the UN involved like most academics and involving the surrounding countries while bringing troops back rapidly. |
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dan p.
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Uganda
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Posted - 12/30/2007 : 2:15:44 PM
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you know more about that kind of stuff than i do, probably. i think you're right, though, in that people don't really understand the way this particular type of government works. or rather, how it's suppose to work. that's one thing i like about ron paul. he's big on the constitution. i like that. not a lot of people seem to be aware of what's in the constitution other than a couple amendments in the bill of rights. and i'm not like, "mr. educate yourself on everything" or whatever. i do a fair share of being willfully ignorant. but, you know, some working knowledge of the world around you is nice, to a degree.
as for the war, yeah, i'm with you on the un thing. i don't think it matters, because trying to "fix iraq" or whatever will never work, because iraq doesn't really exist. no one identifies as an iraqi. it's sunni's, shiites and kurds, divide up. you can't just go "hey guess what you're iraqis now!" they're still just groups of people who hate each other. my stance on that is fuck 'em. if they want to run around killing each other, fine. let them fight over who has the better imaginary friend. doesn't matter. but are there now, we ruined stuff, and we should probably do something about that. i'm not big on right and wrong as things that exist in any real way, but we might look like jerks of we just pack our shit up and leave fast. |
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
Alien Abductee
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 12/31/2007 : 12:53:19 PM
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If only the UN wasn't such a weak piece of shit.
If they weren't, maybe they'd have done something about Iraq. Or when U.iS.rael bombed the piss out of Lebanon, left cluster bombs (human rights violations, anyone?), caused environmental and humanitarian crises, and blew up a marked UN building.
The U.S. abstains from any resolution it doesn't like. It's a joke.
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rubylith
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Posted - 12/31/2007 : 1:18:01 PM
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| I will never feel bad for laying off employees of the IRC or Homeland Security, they can go fuck themselves. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 12/31/2007 : 4:54:52 PM
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The problem isn't just federal employees. Do you know how quickly our dollar would have to devalue if we started a gold standard again. We don't have that much gold anymore and within a few years they would devalue the dollar and then all the people across the states that own houses and just got into their thirty year mortgages would lose their houses. Not that foreclosure rates aren't already the highest they've been since the depression, but that would not help. I'm just not a libertarian. I tend to agree that way socially but I am completely not that way economically. Like I want the so called "free market" and private enterprise to increase in power. Besides some of these agencies are actually needed but they need a serious restructuring. Besides you think he's going to do anything to help health care here or give protection from the corporate power structure in any other way? Dan's right, he's batshit insane.
As far as him protecting the constitution I'm all for that, but that doesn't mean I'm for turning the government into what it was years ago either. The constitution is like clay and it was to be molded to continue to ensure justice to the people. That's why it's been amended for things pertaining to slavery and equal rights. I believe the governments purpose is to protect the people of that country. Which to me just means we need to get the corporate elite out of government and re-instate citizenship and real patriotism.
I wonder what Ron Paul's views are on changing it so people can't elect senators anymore or the president. I'd rather see us go back to an election process closer to what it was constitutionally. In that scenario people could elect political experts to act in their behalf that they knew locally. At least it would be easier or feasible. Anyway all that and he's still my #2 is how fucked up this country is.
Oh and about the UN. Of course it's worthless, but that's because the US controls it and makes it worthless. If the US came to the UN and demanded involvement they could make a considerable difference in getting actual help to the region. Dan is dead on when he was saying that the Iraqi people don't identify as Iraqi's but at one point they did a lot more than now and that was under Saddam mostly in the 70's when they made such great social strides. However at this point I'm sure most people would drop all that shit for running water and electricity and jobs. Take away the reason to fight and see the "other" in their neighbor. Then Saudi Arabia and Turkey could so easily be pressured into helping with Iraq if it were an international effort involving mostly the region. Either that or we need another secular shiite to run the country just like Saddam, which is why we should have never invaded in the first place. |
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