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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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 Posted - 09/05/2007 : 2:09:21 PM
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
Alien Abductee
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 09/05/2007 : 7:50:32 PM
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| Hey Dave, did you happen to catch or have you seen the History Channel special thing they did on 911. It was basically about debunking conspiracies. Didn't get to catch all of it, but I was just wondering if you caught it or have seen it, and what your thoughts were on it if you had. |
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KevinLesko
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 09/05/2007 : 8:05:34 PM
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| I caught that. I thought the "expert respose" was pretty weak in most cases. Granted, some of theories were pretty far out there, but for someone's "expert response" to be simple laughing off the cospiracy as being silly... well that just doesn't work either. The only thing I really found interesting was to hear the Loose Change guys admiting that they are editing out some cospiracies for future editions of the DVD. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 09/05/2007 : 8:08:31 PM
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| i saw it. they did an excellent job at debunking the science aspects about the buildings and the planes. they were so convincing that i walked away saying "well i guess that explains that." then i realized it: they didn't address all of the rest of the stuff. what they did they did well, but it was woefully incomplete. |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 09/06/2007 : 09:44:23 AM
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Well first off it was a terrible hit piece.
They focus on "da joos did 9/11" which isn't even an issue the movement raises. there are people out there who think the Jews did everything, including 9/11. But that was the first thing they brought up and they showed a "9/11 Truth Movement website" with the words "jews did 9/11" flashing on there as if that is a real site. It was some parody site. CRAZY!
Anyway, they cast the movement in a very dark way, as dungeon dwellers and such. Using different filters for us, while using beautiful backdrops and other lighting effects to make the Hearst people look great.
Anyway, I could go on about a point by point analysis, but I can tell you this. EVERYTHING they sai din that documentary regarding the real issues, explosions going off before the first plane hit, the collapse, NORAD, the insider trading, EVERYTHING is seriously flawed.
But what do you expect, History is owned by AE, which is owned by Hearst, who OWNS POPULAR MECHANICS. It was a commercial for their book, a painful, deceptive commercial, with a nice pretty bow.
It was disgusting to watch, but it only made me realize even more that what I am doing is right, working, and succeeding.
This was their last chance to really indoctrinate people, and it backfired by it's sheer innaccurate depiction of 9/11 and the aftermath. |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 09/06/2007 : 09:46:55 AM
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Just found this...
The real story behind Brad Davis, NBC, Popular Mechanics and the History Channel - media whore stooges who engaged in deliberate deception, manipulation and chicanery to please their corporate bosses
Alex Jones & Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, August 21, 2007
The History Channel 9/11 special that aired last night was by far the worst hit piece we have ever witnessed, a completely savage, dishonest and deceptive abomination, replete with dirty tricks, malicious lies and a level of journalistic fraud that goes way beyond simple bias.
Bradley Davis, the producer of 9/11 Conspiracies: Fact Or Fiction, is a paid liar and a hit piece specialist who deceives people by gaining their confidence and then attacking them behind their back.
He is famous for the smear job documentary on Michael Jackson and makes a career out of conning people and then stabbing them in the back. His tongue is so smooth, that even the Loose Change crew were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt on his impartiality before last night's hit piece was aired, with Davis having tricked them into believing he was a friend.
Before filming began, Alex Jones asked Davis point blank if the documentary was going to be a hit piece, which Davis denied. After we brought attention to the History Channel's blurb on their website, which clearly characterized the show as a hit piece, Davis panicked and promised to alter the promo, calling it a "misrepresentation," as well as re-edit the entire program to make it more balanced. The promo temporarily disappeared from the website and the broadcast of the show was put back by a week.
During the course of this second exchange, Davis again promised Jones that the show was not going to be a hit piece and was very upset that we had discovered he was behind the NBC hit piece on Jackson - seemingly frightened that his cover might be blown and his next victim would be alerted to his scheming tricks. He was terrified and kept repeating that he didn't want to be quoted on anything he said.
Just like Popular Mechanics swore that their straw man smear job wouldn't be a hit piece, Davis engaged in journalistic fraud and complete dishonesty by lying directly to Alex Jones' face in claiming the documentary was to be neutral just so he could secure the interview.
Just like William Randolph Hearst, the progenitor of the term "yellow journalism," Davis will go down in history as a liar and a fraud.
The show itself was deliberately crafted, edited, shot and manipulated to portray the 9/11 truth movement in a completely negative light, while exalting the so-called experts to almost God-like status.
- The program makers pulled out all the stops to hire nationally renowned NBC news anchor Lester Holt (pictured) to narrate the show, a trusted voice that was utilized to brutally debunk 9/11 truth representatives.
- The debunkers, people like James Meigs whose scientific expertise stretches as far as being the editor of Video Review and Entertainment Weekly, were labeled as experts while real experts like Physicist Professor Steven Jones were stripped of any such description.
- The debunkers' interviews were pristinely shot and framed, with beautiful backdrops and highly sympathetic camera angles and filters, whereas the truthers were shot from bizarre positions, their images were deliberately distorted and even the color filter of the shot had been manipulated to make their appearance look tainted, blurred and contorted. This was an intentional ploy and a crude act of manipulation to detract credibility from the truthers and violates all known ethical standards of journalism.
- The producers of the show failed to offer the proviso that Hearst Publishing, the owner of Popular Mechanics, also holds a controlling stake in the History Channel (via its stake in the A & E Television Network), therefore concealing from the viewer a blatant conflict of interest that negated the neutrality of the show before it had even begun.
- The debunkers were afforded far more time on camera while the truthers were sidelined.
- The narrator of the show would dismiss the questions and evidence raised by the truthers as unproven or debunked in an ad hominem manner without providing any evidence to justify the assertion.
- The truthers were edited so that only hesitant responses to questions were broadcast, casting doubt on the veracity of their claims in the mind of the unsuspecting viewer.
- The show included a clip of Alex Jones' appearance at the University of Texas, at which around 500 people packed the lecture hall to hear his speech, but deliberately and maliciously edited the footage to include shots taken during recess, so as to make it appear that the lecture hall was mostly empty. In addition, lingering shots of empty chairs were included to further deceive the viewer into thinking few had attended the speech. This is journalistic fraud of the worse kind - a blatant misrepresentation and deliberate skewing of actual events.
- In a similar vein, footage from 9/11 truth protests was broadcast but the angle of the shot was always tight, so as to make out that few people had attended the demonstration, when in fact thousands were present.
- Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics, mirroring a dirty trick that was also employed in the BBC hit piece, maliciously lied and smeared Alex Jones and others in the program by claiming that most of the 9/11 families hate them and that they are responsible for causing the families more pain. Coburn and the show's producers know this is an outright lie and that the majority of the family members are asking the same questions as Alex Jones and others. Bill Doyle, representative of the largest group of 9/11 family members told the Alex Jones Show directly that over half of the family members have questions about the official story. Alex Jones and the Loose Change crew offered contact details for numerous 9/11 first responders, firefighters and family members that were asking questions of the official version, but absolutely none were interviewed by Brad Davis and the rest of the show's producers.
- The producers of the show tried to make out that Loose Change had recanted their position on the issue of controlled demolition, when in fact Dylan Avery and the other members of the crew were merely using their Final Cut version to focus on other topics, having already covered controlled demolition at length in previous versions. This trick was used to claim that evidence for bombs and controlled demolition, which is attested to by scores of firefighters and first responders, none of which were interviewed by the producers, had been debunked.
- Articles and text from 9/11 truth websites were shown, but the actual URL addresses of the sites were blurred out, with the History Channel obviously frightened that people might actually visit such websites and find out that the program was a pack of lies.
- The debunkers attempted to wriggle out of Secretary Norman Mineta's bombshell testimony about Cheney's actions in the Emergency Operations Center, by claiming that Mineta was talking about Flight 93 and not the plane that hit the Pentagon. In reality, Mineta makes it clear in his testimony that he is talking about Flight 77, "the airplane coming in to the Pentagon," and this is then confirmed by Commissioner Lee Hamilton.
- The debunkers admitted that temperatures inside the twin towers were not hot enough to melt steel, but claimed that they were hot enough to weaken steel and cause the collapse. The debunkers uniformly failed to address the fact that firefighters and first responders described witnessing molten steel beneath the rubble of the towers and they also ignored Professor Steven Jones' scientific analysis of the iron-rich microspheres found in the rubble. In a website posting last night, Professor Jones stated that he emphatically pushed the dust analysis during his interview with the producers, but the topic was completely overlooked. The New York Times reported that the molten steel was "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered" but the History Channel, mirroring NIST, failed to address the issue.
- The debunkers mentioned WTC 7 only in passing and completely failed to address why the building, which wasn't hit by a plane, collapsed in 7 seconds into its own footprint after suffering only limited fire damage from falling debris. They also failed to mention why news outlets were reporting the collapse of Building 7 over an hour before it actually fell.
- The wargames that dovetailed 9/11 and deliberately confused NORAD personnel so as to slow response to the real attack were completely excluded.
- The Able Danger program and how the hijackers were discovered before 9/11 was completely excluded.
- The fact that the money man behind the hijackers, Pakistan’s ISI Chief Mahmoud Ahmad, was meeting with U.S. government and intelligence officials before and on the morning of 9/11, was completely excluded.
- William Rodriguez' first-hand testimony of explosions prior to the impact of the planes was completely excluded, as was the testimony of numerous firefighters who attested to bombs and explosions.
- NBC reporter Pat Dawson claimed that FDNY Chief of Safety Albert Turi had only described explosions, not bombs, going off, contradicting Dawson's own report at the time which stated, "Reports of a secondary device, that is another ‘bomb’ going off."
After watching this two hour charade, Alex Jones was left stunned and irate that the producers had deliberately set out to create something that goes way beyond the scope of bias - an intentional propaganda attack piece strewn with manifestly provable lies, dirty tricks and misrepresentation, and that the show's producers, and in particular Brad Davis, had purposefully lied all along in order to shield the fact that this was a savage hit piece of the highest order.
In comparison, The History Channel makes Fox News look fair and balanced!
Framing Alex Jones as a demon and making out that he is causing pain to 9/11 families, when in fact during our last visit to ground zero most of the firefighters and police personally thanked us, is a very serious allegation and we are waiting to see what kind of damages will accrue as a result while we consider our next step.
As we expected all along, Brad Davis and the rest of the charlatans at NBC, the History Channel and Popular Mechanics, have pleased their corporate masters by unleashing the most twisted, distorted, dishonest and savage hit piece in television history. They have shown their hand by deliberately abandoning any pretense at ethical journalism and delivering exactly what their Hearst "yellow journalism" Publishing and GE bosses demanded - a bias, malicious, deceptive, and manipulative tissue of lies and another reason for Americans to disengage from an establishment media empire that continues to hemorrhage viewers on a daily basis due to its ceaseless lies and propaganda.
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 09/06/2007 : 09:55:53 AM
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This is also awesome...
History Channel, 9/11 Conspiracies Suicide-Swipe.
Oops, they did it again. They did it right in the middle of the road at high noon where the whole world could see every blemish on their big, fat, lying asses. Most of you would have to be at least as stupid as they think you are not to be made uncomfortable by such a poorly executed farce. This was overkill to the max. This was absurdity at a level never seen before and it will stand as compelling evidence of near smoking gun proof that the official version of what happened on 9/11 is a lie.
I realize that a lot of people are very upset right now. The internet is shooting sparks 40 miles high. Those suckered into an appearance on this spectacle are outraged and fuming like the smokestacks of the Industrial Revolution. However, that part of it is your own damn fault. Some of you were just looking for a little more celebrity out of this rich minefield of nitrogen. You know who you are. You’re the ones with the winking advertisements on your sites. You’re the ones who can’t miss a photo-op even if you have no control over the way you are going to be presented. You were hoping against hope even when you knew; YOU KNEW that they were going to go after you with dull axes and bad camera angles.
Too many of you are looking to make your careers on the back of this awful event. You figured that once you’d gained that greater celebrity that you will go on to do all kinds of good for the human race. Unfortunately you come off as the same kind of opportunists that you despise on the so-called ‘other side’. I want you to think about this and stop your howling like a stuck pig. It’s not as bad as it seems. In fact, if you’ll just cool your jets for a moment, I want to explain to you how this may well be the best thing that has happened so far.
Once you can step away from your sense of injury and wounded pride I want you to watch this program again. I want you to see that the extremes to which they went to make an indefensible point has now become one of the best weapons in your arsenal. This is living proof that they are scared and on the run. How could they have exposed themselves and their agenda in such a light? They’re as nervous as hens. Apparently people are listening to something other than the mainstream news. Apparently there is a revolution of complicit souls telling everyone they meet that the government and their corporate masters are lying sacks of a nitrogen rich substance. You should be overjoyed that they REALLY put their foot in it this time. I’ve got a feeling that, once you get over feeling bad, you are going to be very pleased.
They are on the run! Somewhere, at some point, most of the people in the country became aware that the government and the media are lying. They can’t undo this and when they put together such a disastrous and damning, unintentional satire as this they have really screwed the pooch and the pooch isn’t liking it one bit. People… this is a very good thing. They really should have known better but they did not. They have handed us the sort of thing every prosecutor and defense lawyer dreams of.
What? You’re saying, “sure, but millions of people saw this and we- the truth movement- do not have that kind of exposure…” Au contraire, if we didn’t have that kind of exposure they wouldn’t have felt forced into showing their hind end in such an embarrassing fashion. This may well be the straw that breaks the camel’s back and they put it there themselves.
I’m not a fan of Loose Change. I don’t find it near comprehensive enough. I wonder if its success isn’t partially based on that. There are much more concise and damning presentations about and this leads me to several possibilities.
Have you any idea what kind of a film can be made for $100,000.00? That amount of money is chump change and surely those of you with the bigger sites have got that kind of coin. From this History Channel hit piece you have all the material you need to sink them in the water. They have given you all you need if you will just look at what I am saying and then look at the film again. You could make a documentary based solely on this film and have devastating impact by merely dissecting their machinations; not to mention refuting the poorly contrived arguments. It’s not just the public who needs to wake up and smell the dead bodies in the road, it’s the 9/11 truthers who need to get a clue.
Such a film could be entered at every film festival and made available through the marvel of the internet to the whole wide world. Just once, let’s make something truly powerful and profound without being ballast ridden by minutiae. I’m not a film maker but even I could do this as a result of being organized and possessing common sense. It’s a slam dunk. Let’s not be pissed off. Let’s be grateful. They blew it. They shot themselves in the foot and photographed themselves propositioning the park ranger in the public restroom. We have the advantage. Listen to what I am saying.
Please put aside your opportunism and efforts at self-advancement. If fame is in your cards it will come. Fame gained for the purpose of fame turns into a negative gain. Let’s get canny and focused people. We have them on the run. They didn’t need to do this and they certainly didn’t need to do it this badly. So… think about it… why did they? Think.
The bad news is that they most certainly have to do something nasty now. They have to distract the world’s attention from what has become an avalanche of lies now rotting in the sun. My guess is that they are going to screw that up too. For the first time in a long time I get the feeling that the tide is turning. We have them on the run; Carpe Diem, people.
Trace the ownership of The History Channel and look at who is saying what and never mentioning the conflicts of interest and lay it out. Focus on the cherry-picking, creative editing and special effects and use your wit and clarity to nail them to the wall. Take the actual clips that they manipulated and SHOW THEM as they were in fact. There are thousands of us at work here. Some of us have large audiences. Some of us have smaller audiences. But when you put together the sum of our collective audiences, it is very large and world wide. They can’t stop us. We have the advantage and they handed it to us free of charge.
Everyone who got filmed with a mullet and taken out of context and dismissed with extreme prejudice should take heart this very hour. Millions are waiting to see what you are going to say and how you are going to handle this. Are these disinfo agents lying, murdering swine? Assuredly they are. Has their hour come round at last? It may well have. Mark my words; this is going to turn against them in spades. This is going to resound all over the world. They messed up. We have the advantage.
Go fix yourself a cup of coffee or crack a beer. Make your way out on to the deck, to the gazebo, over to the kitchen table or wherever it works for you and savor this moment. Put away your sense of injury and get frosty. Get gimlet-eyed and feel the delicious anticipation that precedes your opportunity to cut these fools to shreds. It’s in your hands now and the whole world is watching. We’re all counting on you to show us what you’re made of. This hatchet-job is a serendipitous gift. Make the best of it.
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 09/06/2007 : 12:20:55 PM
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During the course of this second exchange, Davis[. . .]seemingly frightened that his cover might be blown and his next victim would be alerted to his scheming tricks. He was terrified and kept repeating that he didn't want to be quoted on anything he said.
libel if you can't prove that. also, there are ways around it. it's sort of underhanded and dirty, i wouldn't do it unless he really pissed me off, but you could quote him and not use his name. that way when he calls you out on it, he has to admit to saying those things. if he's terrified, he won't do it. and even if he does, you can simply say the actual source requested to be anonymous for the sake of his job security/health whatever. that wouldn't be a complete lie.
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Davis engaged in journalistic fraud and complete dishonesty by lying directly to Alex Jones' face in claiming the documentary was to be neutral just so he could secure the interview.[\quote]
dishonest? yes. journalistic fraud? well, we'd need to know what he said, as well as a third party to decide if it constitutes fraud. neither prisonplanet nor the history channel could be called neutral here.
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The show itself was deliberately crafted, edited, shot and manipulated to portray the 9/11 truth movement in a completely negative light, while exalting the so-called experts to almost God-like status.
the truth movement was portrayed negatively, but the experts (not so called experts just because they don't agree with you) are elavated to positions of authority on the subjects in debate (not god-like status) because they know what they're talking about. they have degrees, they study it. it's their expertise. there's no real reason to believe some guy over a scientist on a scientific matter.
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The program makers pulled out all the stops to hire nationally renowned NBC news anchor Lester Holt (pictured) to narrate the show, a trusted voice that was utilized to brutally debunk 9/11 truth representatives.
point being what, exactly?
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The debunkers, people like James Meigs whose scientific expertise stretches as far as being the editor of Video Review and Entertainment Weekly, were labeled as experts while real experts like Physicist Professor Steven Jones were stripped of any such description.
if you're going to attack the merits of the debunkers the show used and glorify the ones on your side, give us the credentials of everyone involved, and not just strawman the whole thing by taking a shitty guy from a&e and a good one from your side. that's stupid.
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The debunkers' interviews were pristinely shot and framed, with beautiful backdrops and highly sympathetic camera angles and filters, whereas the truthers were shot from bizarre positions, their images were deliberately distorted and even the color filter of the shot had been manipulated to make their appearance look tainted, blurred and contorted. This was an intentional ploy and a crude act of manipulation to detract credibility from the truthers and violates all known ethical standards of journalism.
actually, that's not true at all. not only can you not prove their intentions, they might make an argument saying it was an artistic choice of the video editor, if a poor one. there are any number of reasons they can give for that. also, i'm not sure prisonplanet should be complaining about shoddy journalism.
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The producers of the show failed to offer the proviso that Hearst Publishing, the owner of Popular Mechanics, also holds a controlling stake in the History Channel (via its stake in the A & E Television Network), therefore concealing from the viewer a blatant conflict of interest that negated the neutrality of the show before it had even begun
this is completely true. that is a conflict of interest. hearst publishing is at fault for this. while we're talking about conflicts of interest, i would like to point out that, given prisonplanet's connection and relationship with alex jones and the creators of loose change, they are also involved in a conflict of interest here.
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The narrator of the show would dismiss the questions and evidence raised by the truthers as unproven or debunked in an ad hominem manner without providing any evidence to justify the assertion.
might just be me, but i don't recall any argumentum ad homenim against any of the interviewed. for reference: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hom[\url]
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The show included a clip of Alex Jones' appearance at the University of Texas, at which around 500 people packed the lecture hall to hear his speech, but deliberately and maliciously edited the footage to include shots taken during recess, so as to make it appear that the lecture hall was mostly empty. In addition, lingering shots of empty chairs were included to further deceive the viewer into thinking few had attended the speech. This is journalistic fraud of the worse kind - a blatant misrepresentation and deliberate skewing of actual events.[\quote]
no, actually, that isn't fraud. they videotaped the scene at the time they were there and chose what footage to put in the video. cheap trick? yes. dishonest? definately. fraud? nope. ditto the assertion below that one.
[quote]The producers of the show tried to make out that Loose Change had recanted their position on the issue of controlled demolition, when in fact Dylan Avery and the other members of the crew were merely using their Final Cut version to focus on other topics, having already covered controlled demolition at length in previous versions. This trick was used to claim that evidence for bombs and controlled demolition, which is attested to by scores of firefighters and first responders, none of which were interviewed by the producers, had been debunked.
true. unrecanted, but still debunked. says more about the loose change creators than about hearst.
[quote]Articles and text from 9/11 truth websites were shown, but the actual URL addresses of the sites were blurred out, with the History Channel obviously frightened that people might actually visit such websites and find out that the program was a pack of lies.
that or they might not have had permission to display it, or were unsure about their right to do so. it is suspicious, though.
most of the rest of the list about things wrong with the show are completely right, though. the history channel show on it was awful. i'm with prisonplanet here on everything except i typed above. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 09/06/2007 : 12:22:06 PM
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| i hate the code on this board sometimes. ::fist of vengence:: |
death to false metal. |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 09/06/2007 : 12:57:25 PM
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| Haha right on great response as always. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 09/06/2007 : 2:54:14 PM
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Ya, for being a supposedly scientific debunking of 911 myths they didn't really do a very scholarly job IMO. They barely spent any actual time on the events and debunking things clearly. I agree with dan about a few of the scientific facts they presented which seemed good and convincing, but overall they neglected to mention way too many things, such as the stock market shutting down due to insider trading, and a lot of other stuff. I probably missed the last 20 or so minutes of it.
I don't think we can ever really know what happened that day for sure, because the evidence has all been destroyed and it's to the point where it's just hard to get objective straight information on the subject. I personally think our government was criminally negligent at best, and I would suppose more.
In a related note. I've received some very frightening information speculating strongly that the middle east is about to explode. From some info I've gotten, I've heard Israel is moving it's troops away from Syrian borders. Israel has been accusing Syria of firing on troops. The plans I've been hearing about call for a nuclear strike. This also involves Iran. I can only speculate about this, but there has been so much stuff popping up on the alert radar these days combined with executive branch warnings that I think something big is going to happen soon. So just keep a look out for stuff and that's all I can say.
There was also a lot of talk about the governments plans to simulate nuclear and dirty bomb attacks in the US in portland and other places such as Virginia. There are several theories floating around about these being cover operations for actual attacks. |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 09/06/2007 : 3:43:02 PM
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Much like around the time of 9/11 there is a lot of stock activity. An annonymous trader has a ton of put options that are set to expire Sept 21st. Mmeaning if the market doesn't crash by a third to half atleast he will lose A LOT of money. If the markey does crash, he will make out like abandit.
Then you got all the preperations for war in Iran and our government has declared the Iran Gaurd a "terroist organization". Then you got this from foxnews...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295943,00.html
DEVELOPING STORY: Federal counterterrorism officials are analyzing a posting on an Islamic forum Web site that warns of "a special gift" to be given on the sixth anniversary of Sept. 11, FOX News has learned.
The warning was posted Sept. 2 on a site frequented by radical groups and said in part that "there will be a special gift coming on the day of the blessed invasion of Manhattan."
Federal officials told FOX News they are trying to determine if it might be a specific warning or just part of broad chatter that has been heard during the last few months.
Postings talking about "gifts" have been seen before in the days leading up to the anniversary of Sept. 11.
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 09/06/2007 : 4:55:31 PM
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| Maybe it's a statue like the one the French gave us. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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KevinLesko
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 09/06/2007 : 5:44:25 PM
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| The news is reporting now that Mr. Bin Laden will address the world on Sept. 11th. Could that be the surprise? |
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pants_happy
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Posted - 09/06/2007 : 5:47:54 PM
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Much like around the time of 9/11 there is a lot of stock activity. An annonymous trader has a ton of put options that are set to expire Sept 21st. Mmeaning if the market doesn't crash by a third to half atleast he will lose A LOT of money. If the markey does crash, he will make out like abandit.
do you have a link to any of that info? it would be much appreciated. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 09/06/2007 : 8:02:25 PM
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Maybe it's a statue like the one the French gave us.
i've got my fingers crossed for an xbox 360. |
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
Alien Abductee
South Sandwich Islands
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 09/06/2007 : 9:05:31 PM
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| There's also the issue of the US flying five nuclear weapons in a bomber (not a cargo plane) to Louisiana which is supposed to be a mistake, but from someone who used to work on a team guarding nukes, they said there is no way in hell that was a mistake. I don't know, but I've heard a lot of "chatter" myself. Something is up, and so everybody should pay attention to things as they develop. |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 09/07/2007 : 11:32:19 AM
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Regarding Bin laden...
Article with hyperlinks (dan) here:
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/070907_ladens_help.htm
Neo-Cons Enlist Bin Laden's Help To Counter 9/11 Truth
Discredited Pentagon-affiliated IntelCenter to release another dubious tape right when Bush needs it most, Osama pops up hours after new Zogby poll shows Americans want new 9/11 investigation for second time running
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Friday, September 7, 2007
The U.S. government, via its closely affiliated IntelCenter front, is to release a new tape of Osama Bin Laden on the sixth anniversary of 9/11 in a desperate ploy to counter 9/11 truth and a new Zogby poll that again proves the majority of Americans are highly suspect of the official story.
A pre-released image shows an apparently older looking Bin Laden with a dyed dark brown beard, meaning the individual in the tape is either a body double or the terror master has been using Grecian Formula 16 in between his dashing from cave to cave across the mountainous Pakistani border region.
But whether you think it's Bin Laden or not is really beside the point, if Bin Laden was dead it would be necessary to perpetuate the myth anyway, the thing to bear in mind here is that Osama has never failed in ensuring his tapes get released at the most politically opportune times - not for 'Al-Qaeda' - but for the Neo-Cons and the Bush administration.
In addition, the security services and IntelCenter have been caught on numerous occasions doctoring Bin Laden tapes and passing off footage they filmed as originating from Al-Qaeda, as well as claiming that 6-year-old footage is new material. Their credibility on this issue has been shot to pieces again and again and only the supremely naive or the witting dupe would lend any credence to the authenticity of this new tape.
First and foremost, in the same vein as the History Channel hit piece, the tape is an attempt to rescue the tattered and torn credibility of the official 9/11 fairy tale, as well as providing a media distraction to obfuscate the 9/11 truth events that kick off today at ground zero and continue on into next week's anniversary.
A new Zogby International poll released yesterday shows that 51% of Americans (up from 45% last year) want Bush and Cheney to be directly investigated for their actions on 9/11 and 67% fault the 9/11 Commission for their failure to probe the anomalous collapse of WTC 7.
Hours after the release of the poll Bin Laden pops up and promises us a new editorial comment. Coincidence? Precisely the same thing happened last year. On May 23rd 2006, a Zogby poll was released showing nearly half of Americans wanted a new 9/11 investigation. The very next day, Bin Laden popped up to reinforce the official version and threaten new attacks. Can lightening strike twice in the same place?
The Osama tapes are about as genuine as a used car salesman convention, and have been proven fraudulent on countless occasions. They are nothing more than crude propaganda unleashed in a desperate move to put the genie of what really happened on 9/11 back in the bottle.
For those who still scoff at the notion that the Neo-Cons would be behind the release of the tapes, consider the fact that the Pentagon admitted that they undertook a "propaganda campaign to magnify the role of the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq," Musab Al-Zarqawi, which was targeted at the "U.S. home audience" and that the discovery of the program was followed by the release of a video tape featuring....you guessed it - Musab Al-Zarqawi.
The Washington Post even described how the Pentagon had concocted fake Al-Zarqawi letters boasting about suicide attacks and leaked them to Dexter Filkins of the New York Times, who splashed them on the front page the next day.
If the Pentagon had no qualms about faking communications from other Al-Qaeda leaders and passing them off as real to the U.S. media, then why would they refrain from doing the same with the Bin Laden tapes?
In our previous groundbreaking investigation, we exposed IntelCenter, the middleman between "Al-Qaeda's media arm" and the press, and the organization that routinely obtains the tapes, as little more than a Pentagon front group staffed by individuals with close connections to Donald Rumsfeld and the U.S. war machine.
Computer analyst Neal Krawetz discovered last month that the As-Sahab logo (the alleged media arm of Al-Qaeda) and the IntelCenter logo (a U.S. based private intelligence organization that "monitors terrorist activity") were both added to the Al-Qaeda videos at the same time. Though Krawetz re-affirmed his conclusion in an interview with Wired News, after the fact became public, he mysteriously recanted.
Krawetz original analysis, before he was obviously pressured to withdraw it, clearly suggests that IntelCenter is directly manufacturing the tapes and that "As-Sahab" is a contrived hoax to promulgate the myth that the tapes are coming from Al-Qaeda.
IntelCenter's denial of of this whole episode should be taken with a pinch of salt, for it was Ben Venzke's company that knowingly re-released 6 years old footage of Bin Laden that many quarters of the media treated as new. IntelCenter itself had released the same footage in October 2003 and it still appears dated as such on their own website.
The organization was also behind the so-called "laughing hijackers" tape, which was passed off as originating from Al-Qaeda's media arm, but was later exposed as being secret surveillance footage filmed by U.S. intelligence in 2000.
At upwards of $4,000 dollars a year in intelligence packages that are sold on their website, IntelCenter has a lucrative financial motive to keep the supply of Al-Qaeda tapes rolling.
For the Bush administration and the Neo-Cons, the tapes are routinely delivered on a silver platter at the most politically expedient moments, and a fresh injection on behalf of Bin Laden for the flagging war on terror on the 6th anniversary of 9/11 is precisely what Bush needs to help keep U.S. troops in Iraq until the next election, as Bush is quoted as holding out for in his own recent biography.
The last Bin Laden tape, despite later being proven as re-hashed footage originally filmed in 2001 that was actually released on two separate occasions before, emerged right at the time when the 6 months "wait and see" period after the surge was up and was used to mandate the endless occupation of Iraq.
Whether it's to justify a war, win an election or divert from a scandal, Bin Laden can always be relied upon to come up with the goods and save Bush's bacon.
Both Kerry and Bush attributed the President's 2004 re-election to Osama Bin Laden's appearance in a video tape just days before the vote. Veteran newsman Walter Cronkite mused that the whole farce was a Karl Rove orchestrated set-up.
On the eve of the Iraq war during Colin Powell's infamous presentation to the UN, an audio tape in which bin Laden claimed he was allied with Saddam Hussein surfaced, a gift-wrapped present for the Neo-Cons who had consistently been proven wrong in their assertion that there was a connection between Iraq and 9/11.
Ayman Al-Zawahiri appeared right on cue at the exact same time two years running, days before the State of the Union, to slam Bush as a "butcher" and a "failure." Like his right-hand man Osama, Al-Zawahiri's timing is impeccable! Right when Bush needs to reinforce the fear of the shadowy enemy each January to mute his critics before the big speech, Al-Zawahiri pops up with the goods.
Though such transparent and debase propaganda is still more than enough to fool the remnants of the semi-retarded, kool-aid drinking, Neo-Con cheerleaders out there, many Americans with more than three brain cells to rub together are starting to realize that they have been led on one almighty goose chase, and that no amount of fuzzy "Bin Laden tapes" are going to hold back the stampede of truth that at this time concentrates at ground zero - namely the protest actions and events taking place at ground zero over the next five days in the name of 9/11 truth.
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2007 : 3:49:33 PM
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Ok so I just saw some of the latest bin laden video, and I saw it right after another older one. Is he coloring his beard? Sure it could be a disguise to get the gray out of his beard right
Has anyone else noticed this? Just doesn't seem very crazy radical muslim to go out and dye your beard a different color. |
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GuitarGuy305
Alien Abductee
USA
2007 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2007 : 08:04:43 AM
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Originally posted by rubylith
Much like around the time of 9/11 there is a lot of stock activity. An anonymous trader has a ton of put options that are set to expire Sept 21st. Meaning if the market doesn't crash by a third to half at least he will lose A LOT of money. If the market does crash, he will make out like a bandit.
So...he lost a lot of money then? |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
1915 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2007 : 09:57:24 AM
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http://www.financialnews-us.com/?page=ushome&contentid=2448565379
http://www.bestcyrano.org/THOMASPAINE/?p=309
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL2146624120070921?sp=true
Analyst: Mystery Trades Were Profit Scam For Fearmongers
So-called Bin Laden trades used to chill confidence in market before rate cut
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, September 20, 2007
A financial analyst has slammed the so-called "Bin Laden trades" as part of a fearmongering scam that was used to chill confidence in the markets and enable insiders to reap huge profits after stocks plunged earlier this week.
As we reported last month, an anonymous investor placed a bet of 245,000 put options on an index of Europe's top 50 stocks falling by a third to a half before September 21st. In addition, unusual options were placed betting on a big drop in the S&P 500.
This led many to speculate that the trader was exploiting foreknowledge of a new 9/11 or another imminent catastrophe that would send markets tumbling.
However, market analyst Clif Droke of SilverSeek.com has slammed the trades as being part of a "summer of fear," a scare tactic used by insiders to profit from consequential dips in stocks as the credit crunch sunk its teeth in.
"These high-profile “mystery” trades were just some of the fear tactics used by several independent and mainstream media outlets to conjure up images of another 9/11-type terrorist episode. Indeed, Halloween was early in coming this year for many," writes Droke.
"I predict the promoters of this particular fear campaign will simply put their hands in their pockets, walk away and whistle a rousing rendition of “Dixie,” all the while conveniently forgetting they ever made such dire predictions in the first place. Their mission was accomplished: they convinced millions of everyday investors and observers to hit the panic button and run for cover while they, the fear promoters, profited immensely on the very fear they engendered."
The fact that the massive put options were placed is not in doubt. Dow Jones Financial News confirmed the trades in their August 16th article, 'Mystery trader bets market will crash by a third'.
But was this part of a broader strategy to chill confidence in the markets and make a more widespread profit after stocks dipped following the Northern Rock bank crisis at the end of last week before the Fed cut interest rates?
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GuitarGuy305
Alien Abductee
USA
2007 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2007 : 4:56:56 PM
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Originally posted by rubylith
if the market doesn't crash by a third to half at least
So, in a nutshell, this did not happen. The strike price of the puts was $2800. The Euro Stoxx index did not fall below that (and has been far above since Jan, 2007).
As far as I can tell there is nothing sinister about these puts. The Financial News website (which is hardly a mainstream financial information source) states that the investor is probably a hedge fund trying to hedge against loss, or a long only fund advisor trying to protect its gains.
I was unable to find any stories about this from reputable financial sources. I check Morningstar.com on a daily basis and found nothing. There was some buzz about this on their forums, but that's about it. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2007 : 7:34:13 PM
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Originally posted by GuitarGuy305
I was unable to find any stories about this from reputable financial sources. I check Morningstar.com on a daily basis and found nothing. There was some buzz about this on their forums, but that's about it.
It's very hard to find any sort of reputable financial sources that would even come close to writing about the real news and forces behind money. It's like going to the catholic church to find out the news about god. They're going to portray everything in their light and you won't really have a well rounded view of anything including what the church is. Economics are much the same as modern economic science is usually quasi science at best. They are like a priesthood of money.
Not saying I think there was a conspiracy to drive market prices down so people could capitalize on the market upswing once the rates were lowered. Just that the best source for financial information is usually not through economists and economic journalism most of the time. A lot of info can be gained just by reading the reports released by the fed as they had talked about most of the stuff that has come to be reality now months before it happened. They essentially tell you what they're going to do with monetary policy and thus the economy. |
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GuitarGuy305
Alien Abductee
USA
2007 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2007 : 8:18:08 PM
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Originally posted by Zachmozach
It's very hard to find any sort of reputable financial sources that would even come close to writing about the real news and forces behind money. It's like going to the catholic church to find out the news about god. They're going to portray everything in their light and you won't really have a well rounded view of anything including what the church is. Economics are much the same as modern economic science is usually quasi science at best. They are like a priesthood of money.
Not saying I think there was a conspiracy to drive market prices down so people could capitalize on the market upswing once the rates were lowered. Just that the best source for financial information is usually not through economists and economic journalism most of the time. A lot of info can be gained just by reading the reports released by the fed as they had talked about most of the stuff that has come to be reality now months before it happened. They essentially tell you what they're going to do with monetary policy and thus the economy.
I think you're right in most respects. But I think there's a different between real news that moves financial markets and stuff like someone placing a bunch of puts on the EuroStoxx 50. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2007 : 10:19:33 PM
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Originally posted by GuitarGuy305
I think you're right in most respects. But I think there's a different between real news that moves financial markets and stuff like someone placing a bunch of puts on the EuroStoxx 50.
Agreed!
That's why I don't really like Prison Planet that much is because I prefer a more scholarly and intellectual and not to mention scientific approach even if I agree with them on something. |
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GuitarGuy305
Alien Abductee
USA
2007 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2007 : 10:45:57 AM
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Originally posted by Zachmozach
Agreed!
That's why I don't really like Prison Planet that much is because I prefer a more scholarly and intellectual and not to mention scientific approach even if I agree with them on something.
A site like that never admits they are wrong, and this is a perfect example. They were using these puts as a means to predict a possible "new 9/11" but after nothing happened they attributed these puts to a conspiracy to insight fear into investors making them think there was going to be a new 9/11 or some big market crash.
I do find Prison Planet entertaining at times, but that's about it. That guy...Alex Jones, just irritates me. He reminds me of someone that should be selling a Showtime Rotisserie or something. |
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