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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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 Posted - 04/09/2007 : 09:41:03 AM
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Now I know this is depressing, and I know you all know that it is getting bad, and I don't mean to be such a downer, but this is important, very important.
From the London Guardian...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,2053020,00.html
Now here is an article written by Paul Joseph Watson in response.
Government Report: Bio-Weapons Could Be Used To Combat Overpopulation
MoD dossier outlines nightmare vision of new world order, ethnic cleansing, class warfare, brain chips by 2035
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Monday, April 9, 2007
A British government Ministry of Defence report outlines a nightmare future society in which the population are forced to accept brain chips, immigration and urbanization ravages communities, class warfare ensues, and biological and neutron weapons are used to combat overpopulation.
The MoD's Development, Concepts & Doctrine Center drew up the document to crystallize the "future strategic context" likely to face Britain's armed forces, according to a report in the London Guardian today.
Since every deliberate action of government and industry is working to realize this future, we should look at this as a strategy plan rather than a warning of things to come.
The report hypothesizes what the world will be like in under 30 years and is an "analysis of the key risks and shocks" the planet is likely to face. It's predictions include;
- The development of neutron weapons that destroy living organs but not buildings and "make a weapon of choice for extreme ethnic cleansing in an increasingly populated world." Such weapons would be dispersed by means of unmanned vehicles, leading to "application of lethal force without human intervention, raising consequential legal and ethical issues."
- Within 30 years implanted brain chips as standard for all citizens in developed nations.
- A mass revolt on behalf of the middle classes of the developed world in opposition to rampant immigration, an urban under-class and the deterioration of social order.
- The revival of Marxism as a replacement for religion in an increasingly morally relativist age.
- Unchecked globalization that effectively ends the nation state and leads to wars based on territorial belief systems rather than country against country.
- A sharp decline in the population of white Europeans but an 81% increase in the population of sub-Saharan Africa and that of Middle Eastern countries by 132%.
- Endemic unemployment, instability and threat to the social order as a result of population increase.
- The emergence of a "terrorist coalition," an alliance of belief systems that oppose the state, from environmentalists to "ultra-nationalists" and remnants of religious groups.
The clear implication from this report is that any political or religious group that expresses opposition to the atheistic and dictatorial agenda of the state will be collectively demonized as terrorists and targeted for elimination and ethnic cleansing.
This is the very new world order that the establishment have sought to create by allowing rampant immigration, using the progress of technology to enslave us, launching endless war and shaping the course of history to construct a prison planet.
The elite are deliberately steering world events and engaging in psychological warfare to achieve this self-fulfilling apocalypse. They are hell-bent on manufacturing an end-times scenario similar to that described in Revelations, and whether you believe in the Bible or not, our future is being decided by maniacal psychopaths sworn to destroy humanity.
Every time we study government white papers and strategy documents, whether it be RAND, PNAC or any other major think tank, we come across an obsession with thinning the population by means of horrific acts of ethnic cleansing. In this instance, the plan isn't even veiled under the umbrella of terrorism, it clearly implies that states will deploy weapons of mass destruction to wipe out huge swathes of the population, and particularly those who express opposition to government.
"...advanced forms of biological warfare that can target specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."
Who wrote these words in their own strategy document? The Nazis? The regime of Pol Pot?
No, it was Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, William Kristol, Donald Rumsfeld and the rest of the Neo-Con collaborators that formed the Project For a New American Century - the ideological framework of the Bush administration.
Armed Forces Journal, a mouthpiece for the military-industrial complex, last year carried a strategy plan for completely redrawing the borders of the Middle East written by retired Major Ralph Peters.
The document cites peak oil, an economic crash in 2008 and global warming as reasons for a chaotic convergence that will require harsh action on behalf of government.
"Oh, and one other dirty little secret from 5,000 years of history," writes Peters, "Ethnic cleansing works."
"There will be no peace. At any given moment for the rest of our lifetimes, there will be multiple conflicts in mutating forms around the globe. Violent conflict will dominate the headlines, but cultural and economic struggles will be steadier and ultimately more decisive. The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault. To those ends, we will do a fair amount of killing."
Ethnic cleansing is also popular amongst the establishment scientific community who advocate mass scale eugenics programs to "cull" humanity down to manageable levels. One such example is Dr. Erik Pianka, who made headlines last year when he gave a speech to the Texas Academy of Science in which he advocated the need to exterminate 90% of the population through the airborne ebola virus. The vast majority of his audience, students, scientists and professors alike, stood and cheered when Pianka labeled humanity a bacteria that had to be eliminated.
Similar sentiments are echoed by people like Prince Philip, who in the foreword to his 1986 book If I Were an Animal, wrote, "In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."
"The simplest answer is that the world's population should be about two billion, and we've got about six billion now," media mogul Ted Turner told E Magazine, an environmentalist publication.
Turner went even further in an interview with Audubon Magazine.
"A total world population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."
In a 1991 interview with the UNESCO Courier, Jacques-Yves Cousteau, the famous Emmy award winning film producer who went on to be a kingpin of the environmental movement said,
"It's terrible to have to say this. World population must be stabilized and to do that we must eliminate 350,000 people per day."
The global elite and the military-industrial complex have already sworn to inflict genocide to ethnically cleanse world population down to levels that are more easy to control and enslave. This is the ultimate end game of the New World Order - giving birth to the apocalypse and manufacturing hell on earth.
No longer can this be dismissed as a paranoid conspiracy theory when the very architects of this horror are openly discussing it on a regular basis in their own planning documents.
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2007 : 09:56:25 AM
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"Within 30 years implanted brain chips as standard for all citizens in developed nations," and "By 2035, an implantable 'information chip' could be wired directly to the brain," are not the same thing.
that being said, when i see it i'll take notice. 2035 isn't for a while, and i'll be goddamned if i'm going to do the responsible thing and worry about the future. |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
1915 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2007 : 10:42:35 AM
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| haha crazy thought right? |
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
Alien Abductee
South Sandwich Islands
2154 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2007 : 10:45:17 AM
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Only creativity and the rebirth of human compassion will save us now. All the wrong people are driving us into oblivion, it is all of our jobs to stop them.
I have been saying since I can remember that overpopulation is gonna be our number 1 world issue. How do we deal with it, logically? Shit, I dunno. It seems to me that talk of eugenics and ethnic cleansing would arise de facto, as they seem to be our only option in stunting the world's insane population increase. What's the alternative? Hopefully someone will come up with something, otherwise...
Birth control! Stop fucking having kids! |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
2579 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2007 : 12:55:13 PM
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| There's lots of empty space in Montana... |
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Robin
Yak Addict
USA
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Posted - 04/09/2007 : 1:12:38 PM
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| You'd think we could have nailed down the birth control issue by now....One child is more than enough IMO. This is so totally sick, and yet as usual I'm not surprised. I still think if we all have a collective conciousness, we can change the way these bastards in power are attempting to push their twisted agenda. Peace,Robin |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2007 : 1:14:53 PM
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| the trouble with ethnic cleansing as a way to thin the herd, so to speakm, is that it targets a specific group of people. and really, there's no need to single anyone out. but i have to agree about not having kids. |
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
Alien Abductee
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 04/09/2007 : 3:53:11 PM
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Alright...
Poor people who can't support them have a shitload of kids of which they cannot, nor the planet for that matter, afford in the hope that one of them will 'succeed' and support the family.
PROBLEM - In reality, not happening; and in addition, it puts needless strain mentally, physically, and financially on the parents; and eventually the community as a whole.
Catholics and other religions with illogical philosophies about birth control have tons of kids because 'God says its supposed to be that way if you wanna fuck each other.'
PROBLEM - How dated is this a kid per screw mentality? Take into account that many who practice religion with zeal believe they dont have to take care of the environment because the Lord will save us. Additionally, it's bad enough these people are polluting our homeland with their convoluted seeds, but they go out of their way to spread this damned ideology throughout the world. They are essentially preying on the poor. Most of these people are so desparate to try anything to alleviate the struggle of everyday life, Jesus sounds as good as a Pepsi. Also, 'God lobbyists' stopping birth control methods and education from reaching those who need it most isn't helping either.
Bah! |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
2579 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2007 : 4:45:49 PM
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Originally posted by rubylith
Armed Forces Journal, a mouthpiece for the military-industrial complex, last year carried a strategy plan for completely redrawing the borders of the Middle East written by retired Major Ralph Peters.
The document cites peak oil, an economic crash in 2008 and global warming as reasons for a chaotic convergence that will require harsh action on behalf of government.
"Oh, and one other dirty little secret from 5,000 years of history," writes Peters, "Ethnic cleansing works."
"There will be no peace. At any given moment for the rest of our lifetimes, there will be multiple conflicts in mutating forms around the globe. Violent conflict will dominate the headlines, but cultural and economic struggles will be steadier and ultimately more decisive. The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault. To those ends, we will do a fair amount of killing."
I don't know about the rest of Prison Planet's article, but this piece is part fabrication. I went to the Ralph Peters article in question and I couldn't find "global warming,""peak oil," or 2008 anywhere in the entire thing.
And oh by the way, Armed Force Journal isn't really a "mouthpiece for the military-industrial complex," inasmuch as a rag (published by the same company that publishes USA Today) where military people can write crap that nobody wants to read. (Because we live in a society with free speech, thank God.) So they can then sell their services to the media as "published authors." It certainly isn't where policy-makers to to find the next path. Especially when the article in question is a COMMENTARY (i.e., opinion/editorial) by a Major -- not a Major General or anything. This guy is the same rank as me, which if you don't speak military equals PEON, NOBODY, CRAP. And he's a retired Major, to boot, which means the military is obviously done with him now. Probably because he was too busy writing the drivel above to be doing his job. Which probably had NOTHING to do with United States Defense Policy. |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 04/09/2007 : 5:02:04 PM
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| Well put Teri. Thank you for reminding us to be as critical as possible of all sources. |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 04/09/2007 : 5:07:47 PM
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Originally posted by Hopeful Rolling Waves
Birth control! Stop fucking having kids!
They tried that in Europe and now they're running out of people. Literally. They don't have enough working stiffs (or children growing up to become working stiffs) to pay for the socialist care of all the old fogies that didn't die in the Summer of 2003.
The same thing is going to happen to your Social Security if you keep telling people to stop having kids. I'm certainly not counting on getting a check when I turn 65.
I guess the worst case scenario is that Europe will be killing of its old people while China continues killing off its babies. Ironic. |
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
Alien Abductee
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 04/09/2007 : 6:08:02 PM
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| Trying and overdoing it are 2 different things, Teri. I'd venture to guess that there is obviously a normalized birth rate that can be approx. calculated to prevent such things as negative European pop. growth and double and triple digit growth in Sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2007 : 8:55:47 PM
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| and the problem with killing old people would be what, exactly? |
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sciphish
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 04/09/2007 : 11:53:57 PM
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I like this topic, but I won't comment on it. |
I'm almost there... |
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gnome44
Yak Addict
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 12:11:33 AM
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dan p. Posted - 04/09/2007 : 8:55:47 PM
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and the problem with killing old people would be what, exactly?
You might end up liking it...then you'd move on to non-old people. I'm not sure if that's a problem either... |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 01:03:09 AM
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| haha, i may hate old people, but i wouldn't kill them. on the other hand, if they started dying more? i'd be just fine. |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 02:42:33 AM
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Originally posted by Hopeful Rolling Waves
Trying and overdoing it are 2 different things, Teri. I'd venture to guess that there is obviously a normalized birth rate that can be approx. calculated to prevent such things as negative European pop. growth and double and triple digit growth in Sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East.
1. When I said they tried that in Europe, I didn't mean that there was a conscious effort by the governement to affect population growth. I just meant that people in Europe are tending to have fewer children - or none at all - just as we are doing here in the US. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if Europe as a whole wasn't really *trying* to affect population group, we can't really say they overdid it. It just happened.
2. Calculating birth rates is all well and good, but theory does not equal reality. Humans rarely do what they're expected to. That's why the 2004 UN population projection has five different scenarios, resuting in future populations as low as 2.3 billion and as high as 36.4 billion. quote:
Future population size is highly sensitive to small but sustained deviations of fertility from replacement level. Thus, the low scenario results in a declining population that reaches 2.3 billion in 2300 and the high scenario leads to a growing population that rises to 36.4 billion by 2300 (table 1).
You can't force people to have babies any more than you can force them not to. Entire families in China are putting themselves in mortal danger in order to protect a pregnant relative who's outside the "one child" law. If getting a woman to an abortion clinic for a procedure that takes less than an hour is that hard for the authorities, how the heck are they going to force any woman to stay in one place and carry a baby to term? |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 11:52:17 AM
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The document I was referring to from the Prison Planet write-up was the article in Armed Forces Journal. The document you have posted is a British document which doesn't reference the Armed Forces Journal at all.
So perhaps the bottom line here is that Prison Planet's Paul Joseph Watson writes so poorly that it's hard to check his references. He refers to various documents all in a row without being specific about which is which.
In four sentences, this author shifts from discussion of or quotes from a) the Armed Forces Journal article, b) the Strategy Document from the UK's Ministry of Defence, c) back to the AFJ article and, finally, d) to a 1997 article from a US Army War College Quarterly that's not even referenced in his own article.
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a) Armed Forces Journal, a mouthpiece for the military-industrial complex, last year carried a strategy plan for completely redrawing the borders of the Middle East written by retired Major Ralph Peters.
b) The document cites peak oil, an economic crash in 2008 and global warming as reasons for a chaotic convergence that will require harsh action on behalf of government.
c) "Oh, and one other dirty little secret from 5,000 years of history," writes Peters, "Ethnic cleansing works."
d) "There will be no peace. At any given moment for the rest of our lifetimes, there will be multiple conflicts in mutating forms around the globe. Violent conflict will dominate the headlines, but cultural and economic struggles will be steadier and ultimately more decisive. The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault. To those ends, we will do a fair amount of killing."
Does he truly suck at this writing thing, or is he deliberatly trying to convolute the issue because he knows he's lying? I'll never know; therefore, I refuse to put any stock in anything I read on Prison Planet.
Teri out. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2007 : 3:05:33 PM
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| i'll agree with tericee at least in regards to this article. it's unusually disjointed and difficult to grasp the central point of the story. well, outside of the point of every one of their articles, which is "all government ever is evil, and anything bad that happens is because the government made it happen." |
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Infant Eyes
Try A Little Harder
USA
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Posted - 04/10/2007 : 3:43:53 PM
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Originally posted by tericee
The same thing is going to happen to your Social Security if you keep telling people to stop having kids. I'm certainly not counting on getting a check when I turn 65.
I guess the worst case scenario is that Europe will be killing of its old people while China continues killing off its babies. Ironic.
Social Security would be fine except for the fact that they have unified the funds with the national budget and not only spent the money we put in, but are now taking loans out based on our ability to pay back the funds. Thus not only are we draining the fund, but we're borrowing against it putting social security in debt. There's a nice propaganda campaign going on right now convincing people to not expect it so they're conditioned to not be pissed when they don't get it. Even with the baby boomers and all that the system would be fine.
The world's population will continue to grow based on simple biological theories. As long as we continue to produce more food every year the world population will grow. Even if some areas are going the other way.
In the project for a new american century they state,
"Information systems
will become an important focus of attack,
particularly for U.S. enemies seeking to
short-circuit sophisticated American forces.
And advanced forms of biological warfare
that can “target” specific genotypes may
transform biological warfare from the realm
of terror to a politically useful tool."
Considering how almost everything else in the document has come to pass such as multi-theater simultaneous wars, I would take using biological weapons as a population tool a little seriously. |
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
Alien Abductee
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 10:17:56 AM
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I fear the very obvious fact that people are generally getting dumber, which plays out logically to me, that 'smart' people are getting more powerful.
These 'smart' (now I explain: by smart, I mean rich and insanely greedy) people have essentially seized control of traditional media by strong-arming the gov't into deregulation, seized control of giant plots of land to build oversized homes and franchise stores in the name of 'economic growth', plastered advertising on every piece of available open space, flooded the global market with foods and products with are synthesized, untested long-term, and in many cases known to be detrimental to human existence, alienated the public but still make it seem like becoming 'smart' is the only way to get ahead in life, accomplished unheard of distribution of wealth imbalances, etc. It seems to me like the 'smart' would want to protect those interests at any cost (easily paid, BTW). Couple this with the fact that the U.S. gov't tends to side with whoever is gonna make their wallet fatter because of the huge debts they've created killing foreigners and U.S. soldiers in fruitless power grabs around the world, it SEEMS like the 'smart' + a waning empire could make for a pretty gruesome combination. SEE: all abominable acts commited by any government over time in the name of money, power, or special interest.
Paul's prose may be shocking and a bit scattered, but he's a KID. A kid who is concerned like all of us that the world is taking a big turn for the worse; and has decided to do some detective work for our benefit. He stands to gain nothing but the WRONG kind attention by writing these types of pieces. Do I take his word as gospel? Absolutely not, but next time you want to laugh at the nut on the street who says 'the end is near' maybe you'll bite your lip knowing what COULD happen. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2007 : 11:22:45 AM
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i've been calling him joseph. great, now i look like an idiot.
about what hrw said. well. . .yeah. power corrupts. it's as simple as that. i personally would be as bad as anyone else given enough power. it's the nature of power to corrupt, and it's the nature of humans to be corrupted. it just seems to me like the end has been near for a long time now. i just can't get that amped about it, because i've been hearing it for years. again, i'll take note of it when it happens.
and also, hrw, would you not agree that the actions of killing foriegners and soldiers and selling products which aren't good for people go a long way in solving the overpopulation problem? |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
Alien Abductee
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 2:01:30 PM
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AHAHA, I think there might be more less detrimental ways to address the problem. When I think of one, I'll get back to you. Also, Dan, I am not pumped up to see the world collapse in on itself, all I am saying is that everybody needs just to be conciously doing a couple more things in their daily routine to help ensure that's not the case. I don't think that's asking too much.
And yes, I am a dickhead.
P.S. I wrote this post while pooping; I love technology. |
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
Alien Abductee
South Sandwich Islands
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2007 : 3:05:56 PM
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well, here's my daily routine. maybe you can help me cut some bad things out.
1. i wake up, and chug a gallon of gasoline (or pure crude after a night of drinking/snorting coke off a barbed wire fence.) this is 11 am.
2. i turn the shower on, then go shopping while i wait for it to warm up.
3. come back and take a shower with the bath faucet also running because my feet get cold.
4. eat a bag of diamonds for breakfast
5. it's 1 o'clock, and it's time for what i call "the littering." mondays, wedsndays and fridays are "plastic and styrofoam" days. tuesdays and thursdays are "chemical and wastes."
6. i go outside, turn my humvee on and just leave it there.
so what do you think? |
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
Alien Abductee
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 3:38:39 PM
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Originally posted by Hopeful Rolling Waves
Absolutely not, but next time you want to laugh at the nut on the street who says 'the end is near' maybe you'll bite your lip knowing what COULD happen.
Every generation think's it's going to be the last. |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 3:42:02 PM
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Originally posted by Hopeful Rolling Waves
And yes, I am a dickhead.
P.S. I wrote this post while pooping; I love technology.
On a related note...
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 3:46:58 PM
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Originally posted by Arthen
Every generation think's it's going to be the last.
An interesting thought.
Which has come up for me lately since I both watched and read "Children of Men." Although based on the same premise, the book and the movie are different enough that I'd call them two views of what the world could be like when humans realize that the last generation has been born. |
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
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gnome44
Yak Addict
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 6:17:46 PM
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No one commented on the marijuana fortress...
I didn't want to read the article while at work, so I'm a little late on the reply. But who knew people from Tennessee were so resourceful. That setup was insane! |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 6:32:44 PM
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| The Roman Red... |
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
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tericee
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 04/12/2007 : 03:27:38 AM
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Originally posted by gnome44
No one commented on the marijuana fortress...
I didn't want to read the article while at work, so I'm a little late on the reply. But who knew people from Tennessee were so resourceful. That setup was insane!
I had seen that before, but it's still impressive. I wonder how rich these people would be if marijuana were legal... |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 04/12/2007 : 5:37:27 PM
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| not very because the tobacco companies would be all over it. |
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Everyone should read this.
