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Robin
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USA
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 Posted - 11/05/2006 : 10:59:04 PM
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See this movie, it's that important. The paralell to today's government, as well as really understanding how things have got to the point they have is beyond important.The thing that really struck me, (forgive my not being eloquent I'm still processing),is the fact that as a group people, had so much power. I know this and was raised around all the politics and activism, but I was very young and didn't understand it all.
I see now how I am frustrated by the apathy of our nation as a people. When the presidency was stolen from Al Gore,when we went to Iraq why were we not able to come together in our collective outrage? Why are we still not acting outraged at the crazed administration as it erodes our rights?!I see demonstrations now and it's so casual. Noting's shocking I guess.
When you see the steps taken to silence John and Yoko, and Jerry Rubin,Abbie Hoffman...the power of the collective voice.
That a president would set in motion a program to get John and Yoko out of the country because through thier vision of peace they were making a difference, and it was very effective, and threatened the big boys in the White house. It makes me ponder how so many live now with the cell phone attached to the ear, the ipod attached to the body and the laptop ever present. We are so seperate even when we are together. It's no wonder there is very little power left to collective consciousness. Something magical happens when people come togther, they find power and it's on a very energetic level IMO. "Power to the people right on"!See this movie, May it empower you to act. Peace, Robin |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 11/06/2006 : 12:59:22 AM
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it's an easy process. a person is smart. people are dumb. bear that in mind.
you weaken the people by dividing them, by polarizing them. you take issues like gay marriage and abortion and you blow them way out of proportion. you take any issue you can and use rhetoric to make those who don't agree disagree more, and those who do agree agree more. the gap between the two increases, and you make sure your promises side with the majority, no matter how slim. then you distract them with gadgets and bullshit while you do whatever the fuck you want. think about it. the south is dirt fucking poor, and they vote for a rich man who gives tax breaks to the rich. their votes hurt themselves, but they side with bush on the religious issues, so they fuck themselves over. |
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Fluffy
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 11/06/2006 : 02:50:19 AM
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I was very excited to discover that this movie was coming out. I am anxious to see you in-depth it is and how deep into the situation it covers. Back in 2002 I recommended a GREAT book about this:
Jon Wiener "Gimme Some Truth:The John Lennon FBI Files"
It was recommended in the following thread:
http://www.timreynolds.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2207
The book is QUITE in-depth and really opened my eyes even more to the sinister nature of people in govt left unchecked. Robin, if you really liked the movie you should read the book. I doubt anything in the book will shock you but what you will find really interesting is HOW they do what they do. Very scary stuff. |
Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy         
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 11/06/2006 : 03:30:18 AM
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I am an avid John Lennon fan. The first time I heard of this at all was seeing a CD "The U.S. Vs John Lennon". I just thought, another tribute Lennon album that I bet wasn't going to sound good. I looked and saw that it was a "Soundtrack" to a movie. I thought, "what movie? I havn't seen it on dvd anywhere." Of course, online I go and snoop around. I saw some bad reviews, but passed them off because they just complained about Yoko. Yoko and Paul are the 2 people who knew John the most (then there is Stuart Sutcliff, who died in the early 60's). They complained about how there wasn't a lot of Beatle stuff. Duh, he wasn't as politicaly active (he had views, but not active) til the end of the 60s.
Well, it actualy looks like a well made film. And I do think that it had an alterier motive, to get people thinking about polticis today, in general. That we shouldn't just let is slip by. We think they control us, but they only do if we don't get invovled. If we don't get invovled, might as well ressuract King Henry to rule over us again.
I am looking forward to seeing this film. Plus it looks to have stuff I don't even kow about as well!!!!
Also, I have another John Lennon FBI Files book, it's different from Fluffys in that it's a different book. It still delves deep into the FBI files about Lennon. The one I have is "John Lennon & the FBI Files". It's by Phil Strongman & Alan Parker.
Either book will inform you of the same. The one I have is a bit more personal because it takes time out to talk to some very close people to John and Yoko in the 70s (two of them being Bob Gruen and May Pang, that's almost as close as you can get with those two). Bob was once followed by 2 suits in a black car after leaving John and Yoko's apartment in the Dakota. He took twists and turns, and they followed him exactly. He then stopped the car jumped out and stared at them. They sped up and drove off. He even discovered that his phone was being tapped.
Let's start a mantra here, "All we are saying, is give peace a chance, all we are saying, is give peace a chance, all we are saying, is give peace a chance, all we are saying, is give peace a chance . . ." |
Not communicating can hurt more than any word that can be said -
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Robin
Yak Addict
USA
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Posted - 11/06/2006 : 12:06:39 PM
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| Yes, the film does delve pretty deeply, but I'm going to check out the books suggested by RT and Fluffy. I'm glad that some of you are exited to see this, it's powerful and very well done. I was surprised after seeing it, when I looked at the reviews and so many of them were dismissive, I wondered if they actaully bothered to see it. They missed the point entirely and it was pretty hard to miss! It's a beautiful film in many ways. Noam Chomskey gives a good deal of commentary throughout as well as Bobby Seales and Angela Davis. Anyway, I'm getting the books suggsted today. I'd love to hear what you think of the film when you see it. Peace, Robin |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 11/06/2006 : 7:21:35 PM
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In my area, you can watch The Marine and Jarhead on MULTIPLE screens, but to see a movie like A Scanner Darkly or John Lennon vs. The U.S. you have to goto NYC or Philly.
REGAL cinema and Clear Channel own everything and they won't show these movies for obvious reasons.
BULLSHIT. i really want to see them.
yea and why won't the FBI release the last 15 pages (?) of his FBI record. |
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KevinLesko
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 11/06/2006 : 11:16:43 PM
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I guess I'm lucky in that we have a theatre here in Irvine, right next to the campus that shows nothing but foreign and "indie" films. I watched the US vs. John Lennon, and The Science of Sleep on the same day last month. Science was not good at all, waaaay too artsy, and trying to do too much for its own good.
Anyways, I was impressed with the US vs. John Lennon. I was never a huge Beatles fan growing up. Probably because my parents were not fans, and my Brother's were more more of Rush/Oingo Boingo/Depeche Mode fans. Luckily my girlfriend is a fanatic, and I've been able to learn a lot, and we even saw Paul on tour last year. I would have liked to see more about his musical career, but it's ok because that isn't what this movie was all about. I didn't know about all of the tabs kept on John by the FBI, and specifically their attempts to deport him. FU FBI!!! Reminds me a lot of what I read about Bob Marley in the book "Catch a Fire". Same story, he had power, people listened to him, so the government saw that as a threat.
It was also very eye opening to see how much John and Yoko loved each other. I'd only been exposed to people hating Yoko, and blaming her for breaking up the Beatles. This movie really shows their love for each other.
The soundtrack that Thespian mentioned is pretty good too. Also I had the chance to listen to Sean Lennon's new cd and it's pretty decent. Nothing great, but it's getting good reviews, and I was able to listen to it straight through this morning. |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 11/07/2006 : 01:16:01 AM
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Yoko bashing is common. Here's why:
1- When John left Cynthia for Yoko, remember that racism was still high. She was termed "Dragon Lady" too.
2- She wasn't mainstream. And John help support her before they fell in love completely. He didn't like concept art for a long time. Pretty much all that stuff he saw, he hated. It was all negative. But Yoko's work (starting with that painting ont he ceiling saying YES) was to make you think, but was welcoming, and witty, so he went in and met her.
3- She showed up at Beatle sessions. It was a little uncomfortable for both the band and others to see or know this. The reason is that for the Beatles, barely anyone else ever came in the studio (except George Martin, Neil, music guests like orchestras or Clapton). She also had the wrong impression about the rest of the Beatles. John was so warm and accepting to her, and the love John had for his bandmates, she thought they would accept her too. But of course, people had different views (hey, we're human).
4- People blame her for forcing John to do stuff (bed-in, films, ect.). This was completely wrong. John had all these ideas for years, just he felt that he was stupid to have them. Even his political ideas, he felt stupid. Yoko told him that they weren't, and he should go with his heart with them. She just opened all of John, helped him break open and be who he truely wanted, and was. Plus, John did tape loops far before meeting Yoko and doing Two Virgins. Paul was even doing this at the time (he actualy was more into Avant-Garde than John).
5- People wanted to marry the Beatles. Anyone of them, so they pick on people who marry them. They picked on Linda, a nice blonde photographer from a respect family!
6- The media needed to blame people for the Betales breakup. At that time, who could say bad things about the Beatles? Easy then, go to the women. They admitted that. Plus the Beatles have said countless times that they broke up because they just couldn't function anymore like that. They were sick of eachother (come on, day in day out, beatles, mania, news, lawyers) they needed to go seperate ways. They also felt that their music for each of them would be better if they did it on their own. They proved themselves right too (All Things Must Pass, Plastic Ono Band and Imagine, Ram/Band On the Run). Good ones all over.
7- People don't like to figure out the truth, and read the shit like tabloids.
I am an avid Yoko supporter, and I love her as much as I love John. |
Not communicating can hurt more than any word that can be said -
Nick
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Robin
Yak Addict
USA
598 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2006 : 12:25:11 PM
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| How could you not love Yoko? She made John so happy. That was a beautiful thing to see in this film, how thay completed each other. I'm a hopeless romantic so it's nice to see that. Peace, Robin |
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Ranting Thespian
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 11/07/2006 : 8:54:55 PM
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Originally posted by Robin
How could you not love Yoko? She made John so happy. That was a beautiful thing to see in this film, how thay completed each other. I'm a hopeless romantic so it's nice to see that. Peace, Robin
same here man, same here. |
Not communicating can hurt more than any word that can be said -
Nick
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The U.S. versus John Lennon
