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anthony1832
Try A Little Harder
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 Posted - 05/03/2005 : 11:14:10 PM
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http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/dave_matthews_band/886444/album.jhtml
I'm a huge DMB fan, however listening to their newest album, i am very dissapointed. I couldnt even bear listening to all the tracks all the way through because they were so bland. It pisses me off, they created great albums back in the day, then Everyday came around. They partially redeemed themselves with Busted Stuff and now they made this album. I am very dissapointed in it, anyone else think the same? |
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Mechman293
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Posted - 05/03/2005 : 11:49:32 PM
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...Well I'm not sure how you listened to the CD since it doesn't come how till next week, unless you where listening to 30 sec previews and from those I don't think you can judge an entire CD from just listening to them.
and no this really didn't make that much sense when I typed it. |
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anthony1832
Try A Little Harder
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2005 : 11:51:50 PM
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| Click the link in my post, u can get a good 3-4 min clip of each song, they even play the entire song on some. When i listened to out of my hands i almost died.... :( |
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skyline
Chatterbox
USA
143 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 08:41:38 AM
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They have the entire album up, actually. You can listen to it straight through.
I like it. The songs have a lot of layers, which I enjoy.
It's not up to par with their older stuff, but it's head and shoulders above Everyday. I'm pleasantly surprised. |
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GuitarGuy305
Alien Abductee
USA
2007 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 10:06:51 AM
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| I'm a big fan of theirs, and I'll be the first to admit that they can really stink it up at times, a la Everyday. The album (Stand Up)has its weak points(the title track being numero uno), but I give it 8 out or 10. Not up to par with their old stuff, true, but it is a different new direction which I like. I jammed out to this while working out this morning and it's definitely growing on me each time I hear it. |
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enthuTIMsiast
Alien Abductee
6990 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 11:53:58 AM
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| Like has been said before (even here, I think): Average DMB is still better than the best music on popular radio. |
Tim Reynolds Downloads
I am not the albatross of love, I am the human ellipsis. I am dot dot dot. - Leo Kottke
I hate beating people over the head with anything. We can all make up our own minds. What we don’t have is enough music. More music please. - Leo Kottke |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 2:41:13 PM
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| maybe the recent stuff stinks because tim hasn't been involved... |
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GuitarGuy305
Alien Abductee
USA
2007 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 2:54:28 PM
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Originally posted by rubylith
maybe the recent stuff stinks because tim hasn't been involved...
This is true IMO. I know the recent live releases have been booooring. |
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anthony1832
Try A Little Harder
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 3:02:47 PM
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| I agree tim added so much more expression to their music, i wish he would continue to work with them. |
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Erich
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1427 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 3:08:11 PM
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Tim working on recent DMB would be as futile as Santana working on Mother Father. You cant polish a turd.
Though Stand Up is leaps and bounds better than Everyday, its not something id like to listen to over again. Maybe id like it live, but songs like Stand Up are horrible. Its an unsuccessful cross between Too Much and I Did It. Hunger For The Great Light so far is my fave on the album. Smooth Rider has a fresh blues sound, but took way too much from the Bon Jovi School Of Bad Rock Songs (Wanted Dead Or Alive comes to mind).
If DMB decides to create another LWS-like album, then i hope tim is all over it. until then, I prefer Tim's new acoustic stuff over all. Che! |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 4:47:29 PM
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Originally posted by Erich
Tim working on recent DMB would be as futile as Santana working on Mother Father. You cant polish a turd.
Except Santana only made that song worse. I hate new Santana, and in the past four years, I've got to see him stink up the stage with DMB twice. Worst part of the Golden Gate show.
I am so glad Tim doesn't waste anytime with them anymore. I'd rather he tour or work on new stuff. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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Fluffy
Administrator
USA
10739 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 5:49:38 PM
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A more positive way of saying that is...
I think TR's TIMe is better spent pursuing his own musical endeavors.
It just sounds less negative to me. I could be wrong, it certainly wouldn't be the first TIMe. |
Peace & Keep the Faith
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therippa
Fluffy-Esque
Kazakhstan
1099 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 6:40:47 PM
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You can listen to the entire album on VH1's site...I'm 12 tracks in.
meh. I really do miss tim on the records. Their new direction seems to be more vanilla pseudo-jazz where as before I thought it was more jam-funk.
...if that make sense. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 8:40:45 PM
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| I'm not really into DMB, but I would have to say it's better then everday. I just think they've done this before, but that's maybe cause I wish they'd take the band in a new direction. |
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Muskrat
Chatterbox
USA
266 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2005 : 10:17:40 PM
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| So far what I've heard from you all encourages me... Probably because I actually liked Everyday (although I liked their older stuff better). I do wish Tim would do stuff with them, I think it would improve their new stuff... and I did tend to like the jam/funk stuff they used to do better. |
"You know, if you live long enough, eventually you're gonna die." -Words of wisdom from my dad |
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Mechman293
Chatterbox
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Posted - 05/05/2005 : 12:23:14 AM
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Originally posted by anthony1832
Click the link in my post, u can get a good 3-4 min clip of each song, they even play the entire song on some. When i listened to out of my hands i almost died.... :(
lol my bad, actally I did click the link but it wanted me to download something so I decided to forget it, if Stand Up really is like everyone is saying it is then I'll wait till either my friend or I buys it. [either way it works out] |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2005 : 01:24:55 AM
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| the strange thing is, when tim reynolds works with dmb, is that you don't hear it so much as "this is dmb and tim is guesting on it." you just hear it as a song, or a cd. it's almost as if it couldn't possibly be any other way. but you don't really recognize what tim contributes until he's not involved. all of his parts are just that well crafted, subtle, but genius. of course, on live cds when he rips his solos, that's less subtle. although i have to say, sometimes it seems his solos don't quite fit with what the rest of the group is doing. sometimes it works beautifully, but sometimes it seems too out of place. |
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Erich
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1427 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2005 : 01:36:53 AM
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| I think he doesnt work as well with the band as he does with dave d+t style. dave and friends was good for him though, since the songs were crafted with tim in mind. |
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skyline
Chatterbox
USA
143 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2005 : 08:07:52 AM
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Originally posted by Zachmozach
I just think they've done this before, but that's maybe cause I wish they'd take the band in a new direction.
Really? To me, this seems like a pretty big departure from their past works... |
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Muskrat
Chatterbox
USA
266 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2005 : 11:08:39 AM
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Originally posted by Erich
I think he doesnt work as well with the band as he does with dave d+t style. dave and friends was good for him though, since the songs were crafted with tim in mind.
Yeah. *slaps himself* What's happening here, I'm agreeing with Erich now too?? |
"You know, if you live long enough, eventually you're gonna die." -Words of wisdom from my dad |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2005 : 1:30:31 PM
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Originally posted by skyline
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Originally posted by Zachmozach
I just think they've done this before, but that's maybe cause I wish they'd take the band in a new direction.
Really? To me, this seems like a pretty big departure from their past works...
To me it's just a small change in textures and colors without really doing anything all that diferent musically. I think any of this could be put on any other album and not sound remotely out of place. Wheras try that with miles davis, it will sound weird when the periods transfer. To me it just seems like the band hasn't really changed directions, but continued down the same road with a few adjustments. |
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Erich
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1427 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2005 : 1:35:11 PM
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Originally posted by Zachmozach
To me it's just a small change in textures and colors without really doing anything all that diferent musically. I think any of this could be put on any other album and not sound remotely out of place. Wheras try that with miles davis, it will sound weird when the periods transfer. To me it just seems like the band hasn't really changed directions, but continued down the same road with a few adjustments.
I only partialy agree with you. They did this before, and it was everyday. but put any SU song on BTCS and you'll see starteling contrast. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2005 : 3:56:23 PM
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| Ya I admit there are some big differences from earlier work, but it still isn't all that different (not that it has to be). I just wish the fucking band would play. I mean they have a good drummer, bass player and sax player so they should fucking play and show people they can. If anything I think they've lightened up their sound. I should probably listen to the new album again, but after the first time I listened to it just sounded so dumbed down. I would have liked to see them go the other direction. |
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skyline
Chatterbox
USA
143 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2005 : 9:39:03 PM
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Originally posted by Zachmozach
Ya I admit there are some big differences from earlier work, but it still isn't all that different (not that it has to be). I just wish the fucking band would play. I mean they have a good drummer, bass player and sax player so they should fucking play and show people they can. If anything I think they've lightened up their sound. I should probably listen to the new album again, but after the first time I listened to it just sounded so dumbed down. I would have liked to see them go the other direction.
I agree with you in terms of Carter. This album has way too much electronic generic sounding percussion. No reason to do that when you have someone like Beauford behind the drums.
As for the rest, though, I can't say they've really dumbed it down any. I think Leroi and Boyd shine on this album...Stefan also branched out a lot by playing some elctric guitar on a few tracks. I also love that Dave threw piano into the mix. Good move, I think. No, they aren't doing anything revolutionary, but I still see it as growth for them (regardless of whether you consider that growth positive or negative). |
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Silky The Pimp
Alien Abductee
3321 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2005 : 08:03:01 AM
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| I haven't heard it yet... don't want to hear it in crappy streaming quality for the first time. |
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enthuTIMsiast
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6990 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2005 : 08:42:11 AM
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Originally posted by Silky The Pimp
I haven't heard it yet... don't want to hear it in crappy streaming quality for the first time.
I ordered mine already, and it'd better be here 5/10, or heads will roll. Or not. I'm easy. |
Tim Reynolds Downloads
I am not the albatross of love, I am the human ellipsis. I am dot dot dot. - Leo Kottke
I hate beating people over the head with anything. We can all make up our own minds. What we don’t have is enough music. More music please. - Leo Kottke |
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skyline
Chatterbox
USA
143 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 08:28:48 AM
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So, who has the album now?
I have to say, I really am pleased with it overall. After listening to it straight through a few times, I really do enjoy the mood of the album. It's very mellow and laid back. Quite a few nice grooves.
I also got the 8-track bonus warehouse cd which has some good stuff on it, including 3 studio songs not on the final album. |
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enthuTIMsiast
Alien Abductee
6990 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 09:47:23 AM
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| I got it, and like it. |
Tim Reynolds Downloads
I am not the albatross of love, I am the human ellipsis. I am dot dot dot. - Leo Kottke
I hate beating people over the head with anything. We can all make up our own minds. What we don’t have is enough music. More music please. - Leo Kottke |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 3:22:07 PM
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Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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SurferX
Chatterbox
USA
263 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 3:26:16 PM
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The "Enhanced Stereo" version is the ONLY way to listen to this album.
Oh yeah...Smooth Rider is the best song on the disc. Thank you.
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GuitarGuy305
Alien Abductee
USA
2007 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 6:55:54 PM
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Originally posted by skyline
So, who has the album now?
I have to say, I really am pleased with it overall. After listening to it straight through a few times, I really do enjoy the mood of the album. It's very mellow and laid back. Quite a few nice grooves.
I also got the 8-track bonus warehouse cd which has some good stuff on it, including 3 studio songs not on the final album.
Like I said, 8 out of 10. 10 would be BTCS. I do really like the album though. |
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Silky The Pimp
Alien Abductee
3321 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2005 : 7:50:11 PM
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| It doesn't even resemble DMB of old, but I'm 8 tracks into it and I love it. Very much more mainstream sounding, but it's good stuff. I look forward to hearing these songs live, where Carter can do his thing a little more freely. |
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skyline
Chatterbox
USA
143 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2005 : 10:44:27 AM
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Originally posted by Silky The Pimp
It doesn't even resemble DMB of old, but I'm 8 tracks into it and I love it. Very much more mainstream sounding, but it's good stuff. I look forward to hearing these songs live, where Carter can do his thing a little more freely.
Check this out:
http://channelevents.aol.com/music/bbr/b/archive.adp
Live performance...pretty good quality. Make sure you use IE...Firefox 1.0.3 isn't supported...stupid AOL
Of the new songs, they play:
Hello Again, You Might Die Trying, American Baby, Steady As We Go, Louisiana Bayou, Stand Up, and Hunger for the Great Light.
The last one is especially good live. Very energized :) |
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GuitarGuy305
Alien Abductee
USA
2007 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2005 : 02:32:47 AM
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Originally posted by skyline
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Originally posted by Silky The Pimp
It doesn't even resemble DMB of old, but I'm 8 tracks into it and I love it. Very much more mainstream sounding, but it's good stuff. I look forward to hearing these songs live, where Carter can do his thing a little more freely.
Check this out:
http://channelevents.aol.com/music/bbr/b/archive.adp
Live performance...pretty good quality. Make sure you use IE...Firefox 1.0.3 isn't supported...stupid AOL
Of the new songs, they play:
Hello Again, You Might Die Trying, American Baby, Steady As We Go, Louisiana Bayou, Stand Up, and Hunger for the Great Light.
The last one is especially good live. Very energized :)
I missed the original webcast, but I got the bit torrent and have been listening to the show the last few days. Great stuff. |
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Silky The Pimp
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 05/15/2005 : 10:31:18 AM
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| This seems to be great quality. I'd certainly like to get my hands on it. Is there a torrent for the video or just the audio? |
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GuitarGuy305
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Silky The Pimp
Alien Abductee
3321 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2005 : 12:33:14 AM
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| Sweet! Thanks. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2005 : 12:30:37 PM
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Got it yesterday and listened to it today. I give it a B-, potential but not great.
I like some of the songs but just when I start to get excited either by the music or direction of the lyrics, it falls short.
Perhaps I am spoiled working with Soko and dealing with the multi layers of music, the maturity and perfection. Soko's TWO is quality, you may not like it but it won't be for the lack of quality. Years of creativity went into it. It is polished!
Stand Up was a disappointment for me. I like it but don't love it. It let itself wide open for improvement, it lacks intensity, passion. I kept thinking it should have more string here, more sax here, more layers! Some of the jams are fun, but jams can't carry a song, it should only add to it.
As for TIM, I really need to buy his newest work, maybe I will order it today, but I know it will be wonderful even if I don't care for all the songs, because of the way TIM approaches music. His creative mind creates songs, then he lays them down on a disc. The discs are a result of his creativity, he doesn't go to an empty disc, and then try to create. I don't know if I am expressing this very well, but the point is, you can't just force music and expect to have it be great. Music is an art, it has to flow within first.
I know DMB has great talent and I think they could come up with great music once again, I just don't see it in Stand Up. Perhaps I am judging them on a higher scale, but I feel like the "groove" for them just isn't there at this time.
Biggest disappointment was You Might Die Trying. Passionate topic, needs to be told but the song lacks the passion and energy and the lyrics are weak. I wish I could have tweeked that one up. Had the potential to rival "Cry Freedom." |
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GuitarGuy305
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USA
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Posted - 05/22/2005 : 4:03:40 PM
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I think You Might Die Trying has a great groove. The groove does make it one of my favorite songs on the CD.
Stand Up does have A LOT of weak lyrics. In one song Dave says something about a woman being "the apple of my eye". That is fucking ridiculous.
Also, Dreamgirl "I would dig a hole all the way to China/Unless of course I was there, then I'd dig my way home" By far one of the WORST lines in DMB music if not music in general.
I think Mark Batson was less likely to tell Dave he could do better as far as lyrics, because he seemed to be in awe of the band itself and what they stand for and the kind of musicians they are. If you watch the DVD that is on the flip side of the dual disc, it seems like they pounded out like 30 songs and chose 14 for the disc. If they pounded them out, there probably wasn't much fine tuning of the music or lyrics. I can only hope these songs will grow out live.
They need to get things patched up with Lilywhite and make another album with him. I have seen video footage of Lilywhite where he actually says something about Dave's original lyrics for a song sucking the big one, and him telling Dave to rewrite them. There was a special on MTV way back about the making of BTCS, and you can see the labor that Dave went through to write and rewrite lyrics. He used to say that he kept lyrics when he could read/sing them and not want to puke. He has obviously lost his gag reflex. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 05/22/2005 : 5:15:08 PM
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He used to say that he kept lyrics when he could read/sing them and not want to puke. He has obviously lost his gag reflex.
Great way to put it! |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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DMB Stand up?
