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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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 Posted - 10/23/2004 : 12:58:24 AM
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if your a homeless man or a baby in albany, you'd better watch the fuck out. in the past week, i have seen two stories on fox news (i know, tie a yellow ribbon around the anchor's chair, don't bother saying anything, i agree) about two different fathers punching their babies because they wouldn't stop crying. one guy punch is infant in the face a couple times, the other in the stomach a couple times. oddly enough, the skull baby lived, and the other one died. i'm not going to bother talking about how sick it is, because if you don't realize that, you're in bad shape. how stupid do you have to be to do that? "well, the kid's crying. maybe if i PUNCH IT IN THE FUCKING FACE A FEW TIMES he'll quite down." i'm baffled. punching babies, unless you render them dead or unconcious, just makes them cry more. punching makes babies cry. i can't think of anything more elementary than that to say about anything. it's right up there with "things exist." and secondly, if you punch a baby more than twice, and it lives, you suck at punching things.
the other thing is, i saw a story on how this 14 year old kid beat a homeless man and set his shopping cart on fire, destroying the few things he owns. they interviewed him, and apparently, beating the homeless is commonplace. wow. why. why is anyone doing that? isn't it enough that they don't have places to live and no money? you have to beat them, too? i'm obviously not kicking enough ass in albany. |
death to false metal. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2004 : 08:50:35 AM
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Not to sound as if I am condoning hitting a baby, I do see why people, men in particular, do that. Babies come equiped with piercing annoying cries, nature does this for a reason. It's a cry mom's can't (or shouldn't) be able to ignore. If you have never been around a baby who won't stop crying, even after you have done everything including rocking, diapering, feeding, burping etc, especially a colicky baby, you wouldn't understand. Add to it being tired and its a lethal combination. The instint is to quiet the baby.
Mom's by nature are better able to handle the stress that comes with a crying baby. I know I put my babies down in their cribs and walked out of the room for a few minutes to calm myself down on more than one occasion.
Some men who hit babies are just rotten people, but others are normal regular guys, but they just snap and take it out on the baby. It doesn't take a lot of time to kill or seriously hurt a baby. It's a reaction that they can't control and may not even be aware of until it happens.
As for the beating up of homeless people, I have nothing to back this up and I could be completely wrong, but I think it comes from people who feel so bad about themselves that the only way they feel better is to beat up someone they feel is below them in society. Unlike the fathers who punch their babies, I can't understand the reasoning behind this behavior.
Both cases are just plain sick. |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2004 : 11:19:03 AM
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no. i don't accept that. if you hit a baby, you're a rotten person and that's the end of it. have some self-control. if you can direct that kind of anger at a baby, no matter how tired you are, then maybe it's time to give your kid up to someone who's a little more stable. yes, i'm sure it's frustrating, and the appropriate thing is to do what you do, regain your composure. maybe you've noticed, but i'm not the king of even-handedness. and don't give me "oh men are different" yeah. we are. the mother-child bond is far stronger than it is with the father and the child, but no. attacking your baby, for any reason, means you should never be a parent.
i'm surprised no one fucking pounded that shit eating kid who beat the homeless man. i would have. he beat him with a wooden stick. broken hand, split ear, bruises. my stick is made of steel. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2004 : 12:45:51 PM
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I assumed you would give the response you did, mostly because of your age. The action of the men and the baby are reflex responses, while terrible, that's what it is. The kid beating a homeless man sets out to do just that. The man didn't set out thinking, "today would be a great day to beat the shit out of my baby." A part of the problem is most people don't have parental training. I was lucky enough to have a pediatrician who cared and told me to walk away and collect myself if the baby ever cried and got me frustrated. My husband worked two jobs and I had almost all of the parenting resposibilities.
You clearly don't understand parenting, because you aren't a parent nor are you going to be one for a number of years. That's OK, but let me suggest you do take parenting classes when the woman you love is carrying your child. (I think everyone should do that as a couple) You can't understand how it feels to have a screaming baby because its all black and white to you. (and most people who aren't parents) It rarely is just the baby crying, but the longevity of the crying, coupled with a persons fatigue and other life stresses. I didn't expect you to understand, nor do I expect that this will convince you otherwise. Why? Because I felt the same way before I had kids.
The best possible situation with infants and small children is to have a couple who share the responsiblity and love each other. Then one parent can take over when the other one is stressed out. Unfortunatedly life doesn't make things ideal. Some men who do this are not even the father of the child. With two parents working, other children screaming for attention, the situation is more often far less than ideal. You don't need an education to have sex and unfortunately you don't need one to be a parent.
Again, I am not condoning this behavior, I am simply saying I can understand how someone gets to that point.
Our society is full of double standards. It is (was) leagal to have a late term abortion and suck the brains out of a fetus because someone decided it shouldn't live, yet a mother with post-partum depression who clearly is not in her right frame of mind, is given prison terms for killing her newborn baby.
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i'm surprised no one fucking pounded that shit eating kid who beat the homeless man. i would have. he beat him with a wooden stick. broken hand, split ear, bruises. my stick is made of steel.
Humm, I see you have much more self control. Stopping someone from doing a violent act is one thing, beating them up because you feel its justice is another. |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2004 : 3:45:04 PM
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because the kid isn't a baby doing something as natural as crying. i'm not hitting a defensless baby. i'm hitting someone who has it coming. there's a different between an infant and a kid who beats the fuck out of a homeless man and sets his stuff on fire. if that difference isn't clear, i don't know what to tell you. it should be obvious.
you're right, though. i don't have any parenting experience. i never will. i intend to never get married and never have a kid, or partake in any of the processes that lead to either of those two things. it's probably not the same, but i've been with a crying one for what felt like forever while it practically screamed itself stupid. i was pissed, but at the parents for not taking it out of earshot. the baby was only doing what babies do. which is cry. |
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welcome to albany.
