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guitarisPIMP
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Niue
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 Posted - 09/27/2004 : 11:01:17 PM
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An interesting question... |
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Silky The Pimp
Alien Abductee
3321 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 12:09:52 AM
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JTR
Chatterbox
417 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 12:34:34 AM
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I've always felt that the idea that the green somehow "enhanced" playing or expression was a cop-out. If you can't express yourself fully in a normal state of mind, then maybe you just can't. I know this is somewhat opposite of popular opinion, and I've known guys that could tear it up while high, but I dunno...
So, my answer is me neither. |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 12:47:20 AM
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| Yeah, count me as a "nay" as well. It's just on my account of not indulging in pot. If one wants to, that's cool, it's just not my thing. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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KevinLesko
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 09/28/2004 : 01:16:45 AM
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| Never smoked, never will. |
god
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Silky The Pimp
Alien Abductee
3321 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 08:34:34 AM
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All I can think of with this thread is...
"Ever play guitar.... OOOON WEEEEEEEED?" |
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Jay
Alien Abductee
Vatican City
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Posted - 09/28/2004 : 09:55:23 AM
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You all know my answer to this.
It doesn't enhance playing, it just makes it...different. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 10:50:57 AM
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i don't smoke weed, and don't really plan it, either. but i always love when someone says "i play better drunk/high/standing upside down in a mud puddle." you know what helps your playing? it's really great because you can drive afterwards. and it's free, too. it's called "practice." if you find yourself unable to play as good as you want to, instead of taking an easy way out that doesn't actually work, practice more. if you're just looking for an excuse to smoke more weed or drink more, just smoke or drink more and stop trying to fool anyone. there's nothing wrong with either and you don't need to make excuses.
obviously someone like tim reynolds can do whatever he jolly well pleases before playing, because whatever he's doing, it's fucking working. |
death to false metal. |
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CPPJames
Yak Addict
Fyro Macedonia
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Posted - 09/28/2004 : 11:22:43 AM
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Originally posted by Silky The Pimp
All I can think of with this thread is...
"Ever play guitar.... OOOON WEEEEEEEED?"
Such a classic film. I've been trying to find it for weeks offline but I can't find it anywhere. Time to finally cave in and order online. |
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
1915 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 11:50:16 AM
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| silly thread |
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guitarisPIMP
Yak Addict
Niue
587 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 1:20:14 PM
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| ahaha yeah i figured id get alot of anti-pot replies to that one... just havin fun. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 09/28/2004 : 3:02:50 PM
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| The first couple of times I played after smoking I decided I never wanted to not be high when I played, but that kinda went away fast. I like to get high before I play here or there but I don't think it really enhances my playing really just kinda gives you a different perspective on the playing. Like I guess it does with all of reality. I find that when I'm high music seems to have a more powerful effect on me then when I'm not high. Hard to explain but I think just that quick change in perspective on reality that comes from smoking just let's me see things in a different light. The best thing to do though is play and record yourself playing and then get high and listen to it. That way you experience the same thing differently. |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 09/28/2004 : 3:55:14 PM
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not anti-pot by any means, and i realize its for fun. My opinion is that if u think too much about how you should play nothing gets done. Like it would be the same as saying "well, if you drink coffee before you play, or eat starbursts, you play differently" or something. Not sure what my point is but i dont even think about if im stoned or not when im playing. Makes no difference, i can play either way. Being wasted on alcohol is different, and i mean WASTED, you obviously can;t accomplish much, especially guitar playing, hah!
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 4:30:41 PM
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| do you need pot to look at a piece of music from more than one perspective? |
death to false metal. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 4:34:22 PM
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| No.....can't play the guitar! LOL |
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GuitarGuy305
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USA
2007 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 7:29:43 PM
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Never smoked, never will.
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 11:51:12 PM
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Originally posted by dan p.
do you need pot to look at a piece of music from more than one perspective?
No but it's like taking the easy way out. I usually just take a break and not a bong hit these days and try to clear my mind. However anyone whose smoked I think would tell you it seems to enhance the music. |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 09/29/2004 : 09:05:58 AM
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nah
you enhance the music yourself...
its different for every person.
it's very "high school" to think it would make you better.
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GuitarGuy305
Alien Abductee
USA
2007 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2004 : 10:51:57 AM
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I have never smoked pot, but my fiance has. She said that smoking it just mellows you out and makes you want to eat Doritos.
So, in a way, if you were mellowed out, you may be less inhibited while playing. On the other hand, you might just fall asleep while playing.
I know personally, if I'm playing at like 2 am, when I should have gone to bed at midnight, my playing sucks because I'm just not into it as much as I would be if I were fully awake. But having never smoked pot myself, I can't really speak as to what the effect would be on guitar playing. I do know that nothing replaces skill, and smoking pot, getting drunk or dropping acid will not make you a better guitarist. There's one word that can do that: Practice, practice, practice.
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2004 : 2:58:13 PM
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i think that's what i find most objectionable about it. "taking the easy way out" to me suggests you don't care that much about what you're doing, and rather than work on it, whatever "it" is, in this case mental agility when dealing with music, you're just going to take a shortcut. if that's the case, just stop and let the people who are dedicated do it.
now, i'm not accusing you of not caring, and i'm not telling you to stop playing, so righteous indignation isn't nessecary. that's just what i think when i see people taking the easy way in music. |
death to false metal. |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2004 : 3:06:22 PM
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I'll play guitar after a nice Flamin Moe! |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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therippa
Fluffy-Esque
Kazakhstan
1099 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2004 : 3:27:38 PM
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I find that having a beer or two before I play live helps me loosen up a little bit and not pay so much attention to the crowd. Anymore than that though and I'm just mashing strings. Back in the days when I did smoke weed, playing guitar afterwards was useless, my mind was too muddled to concentrate.
Now, I did try playing guitar once while on shrooms, but I stopped when the strings started wrapping around my fingers and the neck started bending. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2004 : 5:56:43 PM
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at performance recitals for guitar last semester, there was this pick style guitarist (they stick classical and pick style together for these.) he thought he was the fucking king, and i never really cared for that attitude. anyway, for whatever reason, he couldn't make it to his division's recital, so instead of failing him in performance concentration like they should have they let him play with the brass division. he showed up drunk. the piece he and his teacher decided he should play was paginnini's "moto perpetual." he had all the sheet music on like, 3 stands. before he began, he turned all the stands around, facing the audience. so he launches into it, gets about 10 measures in and fucks up. he stops and starts over. 4 times. finally he just fucking quits and walks off, claiming as he got backstage that he did really well. he didn't return this semester, and he didn't transfer. what a shit eater.
the moral of the story is that performance and drugs, despite what anyone tells you, do not mix. especially if the music you're playing says "flying staccatto" on the top. sounds like a fucking wrestling move. |
death to false metal. |
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James M.
Chatterbox
USA
245 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2004 : 6:39:13 PM
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| it doesnt make you better.. it takes you places you wouldnt normally go...the road less traveled so to speak...its not necessarily better..but something you might not have tried while sober..regardless of how much you practice |
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guitarisPIMP
Yak Addict
Niue
587 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2004 : 6:44:22 PM
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| James, I agree. I found i didnt really play any better, i just didnt stop playing, and i played things i never thought to play before. |
my favorite color is go fuck yourself. :D |
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thomasode
Yak Addict
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Posted - 09/29/2004 : 7:36:04 PM
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Originally posted by rubylith
it's very "high school" to think it would make you better.
lol
My answer is yes, and it is a high school thing to do, and I am in high school :). however its usually the fact that im high and pick up the guitar and start playing. I dont get high as a pre-requisite to playing guitar, that is outrageous! |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2004 : 7:56:00 PM
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Originally posted by guitarisPIMP
James, I agree. I found i didnt really play any better, i just didnt stop playing, and i played things i never thought to play before.
than think harder. study more possibilities. |
death to false metal. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2004 : 9:51:22 PM
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Dan just for clarification on what I meant was that it was more for listening for me. Like if I've been working on something for a while and I record myself playing then after I've been playing it for a while it's challenging to keep it fresh so I'll listen to my recording and then I might later smoke and listen again because it's like adding a perspective. So anyway it's not like I feel like I'm really cheating by playing high or that it's enhancing my playing it's more of a listening cheat I guess if it's even that. It's just that it's a different experience after of listening. I really don't play high very often at all. Anyone who has read Miles' biography will know that drugs don't do anything for your playing like a lot of the people that started using heroin because Bird did it and he was the shit.
On a side note my personal philosophy on music is that you don't really think when you play as I've never been able to play worth shit while I was trying to think hard about my playing. Study and thinking work great while your not playing or your trying to study stuff out and maybe experiment on your guitar but man I usually just watch my fingers do their thing and it works out great. I've spent enough time internalizing music so that I have at least basic understanding so I don't have to think while I'm actually playing. |
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Jimiforrest
Try A Little Harder
Oman
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Posted - 09/29/2004 : 10:08:31 PM
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Well, from a mental standpoint weed does help you perceive things in your head. I'm no credited Ph. D on pot but I've heard some people talk about how weed makes certain activities that require the "cross wiring" of the brain easier. Like hearing music in your head and being able to percieve the actual note and then starting to play it on guitar. *points finger at Tim Reynolds and his amazing ability to play what's on his head (improvisation), who also smokes*
I do this online program called www.prolobe.com, and its just about increasing aural perception of the notes and being able to identify them (perfect pitch) and a few people have claimed that they are way more accurate when they are high and are doing the tests the program requires you to do.
I call bullshit but thats just all I've heard. I don't smoke so I couldnt tell you personally. |
Theres a country called Oman? |
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TalkingNeurons
Yak Addict
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Posted - 09/29/2004 : 10:15:53 PM
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| I used to... but then I got cought. So my pot days are pretty much over. |
"Now that's ripe!"
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2004 : 11:45:31 PM
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| you don't think when you play?! you don't think about scales and modes over chords when you improvise? you don't think about phrasing in your solos? dynamics? tone changes? i can see having internalized pulse and meter and subdivision. but all that other stuff? you have to think about that when you play. granted, not as much as when you write, but still. i can't imagine just totally letting loose during a performance. you have to mix emotion, which i'm sure you have a firm grasp on, and logic. some things, like key related stuff, doesn't take much thought. but phrasing, dynamics and tone among other things do. |
death to false metal. |
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SandyCarl
Try A Little Harder
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Posted - 09/29/2004 : 11:56:05 PM
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I love this thread. If I could hug it, I would. In fact... there, I hugged it. Quite literally.
I don't smoke weed. I also don't play guitar. So no, I haven't ever played the guitar after smoking pot. I do find it interesting all the differences in ideas here. Very nice. |
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Jimiforrest
Try A Little Harder
Oman
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Posted - 09/30/2004 : 01:10:44 AM
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| Well you have to understand that "not thinking" is a thinking process. It's a natural atheletic instinct that takes over when you let your brain switch over to autopilot. This actually takes skill once you become aware of it, until then its like doing everything you normally do. Everything about music is mental so it's not like theres an absence of mental ability, you just aren't letting your mental ability dominate your music (which it still is but the result is different). This is most common, not saying that its completely true, with people who don't have a very strict mental approach to playing guitar, other than not being mental about it. Interesting. |
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JTR
Chatterbox
417 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2004 : 04:37:36 AM
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| I wonder what Al Di Meola would say.... |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
1915 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2004 : 08:55:07 AM
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i think this post is somewhere else too...not TR Related TOpics which would be funny, but Friends Aboard the Space Pod
hmm |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2004 : 1:02:43 PM
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| i'd listen to anything al dimeola would say about it. |
death to false metal. |
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rubylith
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 09/30/2004 : 1:21:26 PM
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haha yea
it might be too fast for someone who is high though.
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guitarisPIMP
Yak Addict
Niue
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Posted - 09/30/2004 : 1:41:46 PM
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Originally posted by dan p.
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Originally posted by guitarisPIMP
James, I agree. I found i didnt really play any better, i just didnt stop playing, and i played things i never thought to play before.
than think harder. study more possibilities.
that isnt necessary. I'm not saying i can't think up anything creative sober and i dont get high nearly enough to sit and write songs while high. I'm just saying new ideas do come easier. It has nothing to do with how hard i study and learn. |
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guitarisPIMP
Yak Addict
Niue
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Posted - 09/30/2004 : 1:48:02 PM
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| ahaha has anyone else noticed that after i started this topic that a bunch of weed related threads popped up? It is a pretty ineresting topic i must say. Legalization of marijuana i think is one of the most interesting and overlooked political debates as of now. |
my favorite color is go fuck yourself. :D |
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Oozle
Chatterbox
USA
108 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2004 : 3:41:22 PM
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| I don't play guitar, but since pot puts me out cold, I bet I could dream I could.... |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 09/30/2004 : 3:57:39 PM
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| dan along the lines of what jimiforrest said I don't think when I play. I don't play well when I make my playing cerebreal. I just go into a meditative type of state where when it's at my best I just watch my fingers do what they do. My approach to learning music has been to internalize it as much as possible so it's like talking in that I don't have to think about forming words or anything like that I can just talk and it's not something that really comes about at a real concious level. It's hard to do when you don't know the tune as in actually know the tune and have it learned but it works with improv stuff too in that my fingers know what to do because it's almost as if they are channeling in the music from somewhere else. That way it feels like the music is just flowing from me. |
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James M.
Chatterbox
USA
245 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2004 : 6:59:07 PM
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| im sure the most advanced guitarist in the world could smoke pot and come up with something he/she never thought of..thats just the way it is...its not like pot is doing the playing for you..its simply opening up your subconscious more than usual...and your subconscious has the ability to do just about anything it wants since it remembers almost everything you have ever experienced...so seriously.. it has nothing to do with how much you study or practice..at least at a creative level |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 09/30/2004 : 11:01:59 PM
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Originally posted by James M.
im sure the most advanced guitarist in the world could smoke pot and come up with something he/she never thought of..thats just the way it is...its not like pot is doing the playing for you..its simply opening up your subconscious more than usual...and your subconscious has the ability to do just about anything it wants since it remembers almost everything you have ever experienced...so seriously.. it has nothing to do with how much you study or practice..at least at a creative level
Exactly. That's why the first time I played high it was almost like some sort of religous experience or something. It's just a different perspective but I don't rely on pot for that anymore and I've found that I can play better in meditative states that are more challenging to reach but I feel a better experience that being high. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 12:09:36 AM
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| you don't need weed for anything. period. |
death to false metal. |
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Jay
Alien Abductee
Vatican City
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 09:50:28 AM
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| Exactly, weed is like blue kool-aid. When you have it, horray, if you don't, oh well. Weed doesn't help your playing really, but personally it helps me string ideas together better...When I play after smoking, it's usualy by myself or just a big fucked up jam with a couple of guys...in other words, when a clear mind isn't nescesarily required... |
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guitarisPIMP
Yak Addict
Niue
587 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2004 : 5:28:33 PM
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| dan no ones saying you need it for anything... its for recreational purposes. i hope no one has spun this thread (no punt intended) into the interpretation that its a crucial part of the improvisation/creative process |
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
Alien Abductee
South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 6:36:13 PM
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| I smoke before I play maybe 30% of the time, and I find I do play cooler stuff when I am high, the problem is, I can never remember any of it the day later, AHAHA. But to make it more subjective, I have been told outright by a few friends that I play better whilst "under the influence." I also sing better after a couple beers. Don't get me wrong, I can't wait till my soberness presents interesting musical possibilites; but for now, I find with my still growing knowledge of theory, when I am stoned, I just don't care, and I think that freeness opens up some interesting stuff. No one busted on Miles Davis for pumping smack while trumpeting; its not like you're cheating anyone...except maybe your lungs. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 6:59:59 PM
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if you can't remember any of it, how do you know it's that good. you can think of as many things to do sober as you can stoned. it's just harder. now i'm a lazy, lazy man. don't let me fool you. but when it comes to music, nothing replaces practice. nothing replaces study.
now, i know you didn't mean to compare yourself to miles davis, but come on. when you start turning out stuff of that calibre, then you can say that, until then, no. you are cheating someone. yourself. why weaken yourself by relying on a substance to help you do what you could do anyway when you work at it? monkeys belong in the zoo. not on your back. |
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guitarisPIMP
Yak Addict
Niue
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Posted - 10/01/2004 : 9:09:19 PM
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thats odd i can remember everything i play when im high i often create interesting jams while im high (especially real neat rhythms and arpeggios, which are a very large bulk of my style of playing/improv). But, as for me depending on being high to think up new creative ideas, that is completely false. I can actually get into the same mode that i get in playing high that i can sober and produce almost the exact same things, only it takes more focus to do so, more so when playing in front of others. I in no way find myself crippled or hindered in my guitar playing when im sober, but on the other hand i do love to play high.
Also, as for things sounding way cool when ur high, any music sounds cool when you're high. You can trip on a Beach Boys I IV V progression, it doesnt matter it all sounds cool, so when you remember yourself playing something cool, chances are not 100% probably not even 50% of it was as amazing as you thought (not to say you didnt play some amazing stoned wonderous riffs ). |
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James M.
Chatterbox
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245 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2004 : 02:37:08 AM
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Originally posted by dan p.
now, i know you didn't mean to compare yourself to miles davis, but come on. when you start turning out stuff of that calibre, then you can say that, until then, no. you are cheating someone. yourself. why weaken yourself by relying on a substance to help you do what you could do anyway when you work at it? monkeys belong in the zoo. not on your back.
you havent been reading any of the posts have you?..now im not big on pot either..but i do understand that it makes playing any instrument a different experience..i dont see how you can continue to debate this point without experience on the subject..its nice to say practice will do everything in the world for your playing but..unfortunately..this is different...im sorry dan..thats just the way it is...accept it..and i guarantee you.. a serious pro would tell you the same thing...so in short..yes..practice is the best thing you can do for yourself...but not even it replaces something like playing in an altered state of mind |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2004 : 12:01:31 PM
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i'm sure the experience is great for you, but what about the people listening? unless they're high, too, chances are it grows old quickly. music isn't about you, it's about the music and the people listening. there's a name for getting up in front of people and doing something because it feels good and it is generally very illegal. guitarispimp talks about finding neat arppeggios and rhythms while high. those arrpeggions and rhythms would still exist if he hadn't been stoned when he found them. they could have been discovered without weed.the problem here is you're talking about what playing high does for YOU. but you don't matter. your audience does. the music does.
that's one of the difficulties of performing. you have to play without making yourself the center of the attention. putting the music before you. it's really hard because i think music is so much a part of who we are, it's like an identity. |
death to false metal. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 10/02/2004 : 12:04:48 PM
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| also, putting 3 periods between every phrase makes anything really obnoxious to read. |
death to false metal. |
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James M.
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 10/02/2004 : 2:49:07 PM
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| ..um i wasnt attacking you dan simply stating your ignorance to the conversation..then you attack how i choose to type my messages?..pretty immature buddy..also..who said anything about performing?..not i...why dont you go ahead and read through this thread again and admit you dont know what youre talking about |
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guitarisPIMP
Yak Addict
Niue
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Posted - 10/02/2004 : 6:34:08 PM
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| yeah ive repeatedly read through the thread as well, and neither i nor anyone else has mentioned anything about PERFORMING while stoned, just playing alone, maybe jamming with buddies. But while we're on the topic of performance, you mean to tell me that you honestly believe that Dave Matthews has never played a live show, particularly an intense, wonderful live show, while being high? He's not the only artist i know of who i can safely say has performed high on numerous occasions to great effects (ex. Howie Day, Jimi Hendrix, Miles Davis, you name it). |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 10/02/2004 : 6:35:18 PM
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what a fucking joke.
so by your logic, the only people who can criticize the president are former presidents, right?
you have to be fucking kidding me. who said anything about performing? you got some damn nerve telling me to go back reread. i can't believe i'm going to waste my time doing this, but here we go.
"I find that having a beer or two before I play live helps me loosen up a little bit and not pay so much attention to the crowd. Anymore than that though and I'm just mashing strings. Back in the days when I did smoke weed, playing guitar afterwards was useless, my mind was too muddled to concentrate."
"i often create interesting jams while im high (especially real neat rhythms and arpeggios, which are a very large bulk of my style of playing/improv)."
"I smoke before I play maybe 30% of the time, and I find I do play cooler stuff when I am high"
"points finger at Tim Reynolds and his amazing ability to play what's on his head (improvisation), who also smokes."
these people are talking about performing. just because you aren't doesn't mean no one else is.
"um i wasnt attacking you dan simply stating your ignorance to the conversation.." yeah? thanks for the tip, champ. it's great to know that calling someone ignorant and trying to reduce their input to nothing and telling them they have nothing to say because you don't agree isn't an attack. you'd be pissing and moaning all over the place if someone did that to you, so don't sit there and tell me you weren't attacking. that's obviously not the case and we both know it.
if you want to listen to music when you're high, i couldn't give less of a shit. there's nothing wrong with that. but you're telling me, and everyone else who isn't a user, that you somehow have an edge on writing and experiencing music better/more deeply than i do because you smoke weed is absolute crap. i don't accept that for a minute. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 10/02/2004 : 7:03:57 PM
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| ok, that last post was a little huge. what angers me is that many people act as those because they smoke while they write or listen to music, they somehow experience music on some more advanced or deeper level, and that's not something i accept. it doesn't matter that i've never been high. that has nothing to do with it. it's an irritating habit to have towards non-users. |
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Jimiforrest
Try A Little Harder
Oman
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Posted - 10/02/2004 : 9:36:05 PM
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Originally posted by dan p.
ok, that last post was a little huge. what angers me is that many people act as those because they smoke while they write or listen to music, they somehow experience music on some more advanced or deeper level, and that's not something i accept. it doesn't matter that i've never been high. that has nothing to do with it. it's an irritating habit to have towards non-users.
I'm sorry but honestly - who gives a flying shit that a stoner thinks they have an edge over you in songwriting ability? This type of negativity is uncalled for man, if you're trying to disprove some type of myth, disprove it, don't make fun of the people who believe it. It doesn't matter if somebody is trying to lobby his opinions unto you, you can still have a level head about something as stupid as smoking a fucking blunt and its effect on your songwriting ability. I don't mean this harshly man, but keep yourself in check. |
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JTR
Chatterbox
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Posted - 10/03/2004 : 12:21:26 AM
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| This must be the first time you've encountered Dan P before, Jimiforrest, isn't it? |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2004 : 12:50:37 AM
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you know normally, jimiforrest, you'd be right. people make fun of a lot of things i say and do. i get made fun of for being a lord of the rings buff all the time. i get made fun of for some of the things i choose not to do. and i just let that go. but this is music. the one thing i take absolutely seriously. this goes back to what i said before about how hard it is to seperate myself from the music i play because it's so much a part of who i am.
and i didn't much care for jamie m's tone, frankly. guitarispimp said basically the same things, but he wasn't being an asshole about it. jamie was. i take back none of things i said to him. he's no less out of line then i am. you'll call me out for negativity only because i don't hide it behind a laid back demeanor. i'm not the only one being negative here, i'm just the only one who is honest about it. |
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Jimiforrest
Try A Little Harder
Oman
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Posted - 10/03/2004 : 01:54:04 AM
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| I'd do the exact same thing in your situation. But I also enjoy the satisfaction of completely obliterating any basis your opponent has for an arguement before you actually start using nasty tones. If he's still nasty with you after learning the facts (which weren't clear, in my opinion) then have at him. It's like blasting somebody for only watching Fox News when they don't know why they should be able to use multiple sources to get their news. Maybe it's a case of being misunderstood, maybe it's a case of being clearer with arguements, or maybe it is really just a case of sheer ignorance on a few people's parts. "I think this can be solved through bi-lateral discussions." |
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guitarisPIMP
Yak Addict
Niue
587 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2004 : 12:24:13 PM
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| dan, i totally understand your defensiveness...if i contributed to escalating things then sorry. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2004 : 7:01:44 PM
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maybe it's a mix of all 3.
guitaris, you didn't really have a part in escalating anything. don't worry about it. as i said before, you weren't being a jerk about your opinion. |
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Mave Datthews 85
Try A Little Harder
USA
80 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2004 : 9:45:00 PM
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ever jerk off after smoking pot?
you should do it.
it feels good.
(seriously. sex is even better too.) |
y helo thar!¡!¡ |
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Hopeful Rolling Waves
Alien Abductee
South Sandwich Islands
2154 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2004 : 9:45:48 PM
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I wonder if we struck up a conversation on a chance personal meeting if we'd all get along well. It is amazing how hostile things can get quickly when thoughts are pored over in such a concentrated manner.
I think however you approach an instrument, f-ed up or not, it is all about a love for the music. We all have shitty habits, as long as they don't get in the way of others, cheers.
And for the record, I've never played in front of a crowd, so that 30% was a personal statistic. This is turning into a legal battle, AHAHA. |
http://db.etree.org/hopefulrollingwaves/ < My Trading List |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2004 : 10:13:34 PM
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i don't have sex either, so i wouldn't know about that. makes sense, though.
seems like communication be the same if they way act here is the same as we act in person. |
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James M.
Chatterbox
USA
245 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2004 : 12:57:39 AM
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| i fail to see how i escalated things dan...i didnt say anything negative.. you started that...i was simply stating facts and you kept hitting me with the same response..not actually addressing anything i said..you are stubborn as hell..you cant refute any of the points i made you just kept saying the same thing i had already disproved..and in some instances i was agreeing with you...you do need to practice..but you just wouldnt listen when i was trying to explain that playing high is still quite different..seriously..if you had actually tried playing while high and you came back and said the same things..i would be more prone to listening to your opinion than when you havent..and then you say its obnoxious to read my posts because of the way i type them...how mature is that?..seriously...i agree with most of your opinions usually..but this one you dont have much of a case..and i can not believe im being accused of being an ass..unbelievable |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2004 : 1:40:19 PM
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yeah, i guess calling me immature and stubborn as hell, as well as saying you're just "stating [my] ignorance to the conversation" isn't really being negative at all. don't know how i missed that. i guess if you don't attack someone openly it's not really being negative. you failing to see how you escalated things sounds more like a personal problem. look. just give up the calm, laid back facade and attack me on being ignorant and stubborn if that's what you want to do. be honest about it. you're really not fooling anyone, so why be negative and sneaky at the same time?
i too was stating a fact when i said it's obnoxious to read something with 3 periods between every 7 or so words. i should have said it's obnoxious FOR ME to read something with 3 periods between every 7 or so words. but the fact remains: ThAt'S rEaLlY ObNoXiOuS tO ReAd.
let's simplify. indulge me for a moment and ignore the fact i don't use weed. you say playing while high takes you to places you wouldn't go before and try things you wouldn't before. i say learning and studying different musical styles and then mixing and employing them in your playing will also allow you to things you've never thought to before. because it will.
you claim playing while high enhances the experience for yourself. i say that that doesn't matter because music is only music, regardless of style, as percieved by an audience. you can play by yourself all you want, but if no one hears you, i have to question whate exactly you're contributing to music at large. if a tree falls in the woods with nothing to hear it, it doesn't matter whether or not it made a sound. it's stupid scenario anyway, because i can't think of a tree that's in a place that no person or animal would hear it, but i stick by it.
you say i can't have an opinion because i don't smoke weed. i say ok, but then you can't have an opinion on politicians because you've never been in office.
i am repeating myself because you have not yet responded to these points. so far you've backed everything up with "that's just the way it is" "any serious pro would tell you the same" (without even giving any quote, name of anything), a vague reference to the subconcious. then you started telling me to stop posting here because i don't know anything about it. either respond to these points, strengthen your own, or stop wasting everyone's time. it's really that simple. |
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James M.
Chatterbox
USA
245 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2004 : 7:35:45 PM
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alright..but im going to continue typing the way i do..you can deal with that..at this point i dont give a shit whats hard for you to read
you are correct.. studying different musical styles will enhance your playing as well as take you to different places...however i was simply stating that even if you studied all there is to study..smoking weed could still take you to places youve never explored..this isnt always going to happen..but it can..and it does
next..i can play for myself all the fuck i want to and thats just as important as playing for an audience..i dont have to play for you or any other asshole..and yes its still music..also if im playing..and im listening...im my own audience
you are correct..you are entitled to an opinion whether or not you have smoked weed or not..ill concede that point to you
now..i think you know that you come off as an asshole 70 percent of the time dan...so youll have to forgive me for giving you a taste of your own medicine when i unintentionally escalated things..to me it seemed like what you needed to hear because you say the same shit all the time...also i would like to say that i do respect your opinion..but you have an arrogance about you that is definetly hard to ignore whether i respect you or not..i would like to tell you to work on that..but you are going to be who you are...all im trying to say is...smoking weed is an interesting angle to put on playing an instrument...practice and study is another angle..certainly a better one..but a different angle never the less
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Oozle
Chatterbox
USA
108 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2004 : 12:09:39 PM
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| This thread is fitting in beautifully with the opinion theory. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one...... |
ren :) |
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Oozle
Chatterbox
USA
108 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2004 : 12:14:41 PM
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| The only thing I have considered pot for is it's supposed to be great for migraines. Anyone have any experience with that? I have way too many responsibilities to just randomly smoke pot ( or even drink a beer or two except on very rare evenings ). I just don't like it but it's not my place to try to force my beliefs on anyone else. The older I get, the more I realize that you just can't change someones mind unless they want it changed........ |
ren :) |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1534 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2004 : 3:55:03 PM
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| I've never had a migrane, but I remember one time a friend of mine was bitching about this migrane headache and so I said we should fix and I had the tools. So after a pretty heavy session he was still feeling pretty shitty so we went to a resturant and he just sat there with his head down and bitched about how bad his head hurt and how the weed made it worse. Then the food came and he ate it really fast and seemed fine then as soon as the fod went away he was complaining again. Personally I just think he traded in his Y chromasome years ago. |
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Anyone ever play guitar after smoking pot?
