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victorwootenfan
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Poparad
Try A Little Harder
USA
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 Posted - 05/01/2003 : 9:37:50 PM
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Wow... take a look at Edward Norton's replies page. These people need to get a life. I imagine the whole website is just like that, completely shameless bashing of people who's opinions differ. I couldn't read more than 5 or 6 people's comments on there. All it ammounted to was accusing him of doing this and supporting that insane idea just because he has a low opinion of Bush. When was the motto changed to "life, liberty, justice, and no disagreement with our opinions for all"?
This whole website has me wondering, "Did we learn *anything* from Senator McCarthy?" |
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pcbTIM
Alien Abductee
USA
6501 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2003 : 12:23:36 AM
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This really hurts. My husband and I just LOVE Fight Club and Death to Smoochy. Now we have to cancel our order for these DVD's.
Wow. Just because they didn't like something he said, they're now gonna stop watching his movies altogether? That's unbelievable. |
Gay marriage killed the dinosaurs. |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2003 : 02:23:02 AM
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( 2/23/2003 ) Comedienne-turned-peace-activist Janeane Garofalo offered a stunning admission on Sunday, explaining that she and her fellow anti-war protesters didn't stage huge demonstrations when President Clinton launched attacks on Iraq, Bosnia, Afghanistan and the Sudan because "it wasn't very hip" to protest the former president. Garofalo went on to claim that Hollywood actors Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins led protests against Clinton's 1998 Iraq attack, saying that "there was a lot of protest, just as there was against the first Gulf War." A Lexis-Nexis search for December 1998, the month Clinton bombed the daylights out of Baghdad, failed to turn up a single report that mentioned either Sarandon or Robbins protesting the attacks.
I think that's pretty funny what Janeane Garofalo said. I don't boycott anyone for what they believe, that's their beliefs. But people have a right to boycott whoever they want. I think it's a pretty gross generalization to say conservatives too. I consider myself conservative, but I don't engage in the actions of the other people on the site.
I'm sure there are a lot of people who are now supporting certain actors because they said those kinds of things. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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CPPJames
Yak Addict
Fyro Macedonia
800 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2003 : 10:08:46 AM
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I'm relatively right wing. I don't think Bush is the brightest bulb in the box, but I certainly think he's better than Gore would have been. That man is a moron. I'd rather have a president that I wasn't thrilled with on the personality side, but gets things done. Then there's Clinton...but I'm not going there.
For what it's worth, I think the website is stupid. But I *guarantee* you, I could find an equally stupid liberal site. |
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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victorwootenfan
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USA
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CPPJames
Yak Addict
Fyro Macedonia
800 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2003 : 12:12:53 PM
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| Agreed...my point is that jackasses are jackasses, regardless of party lines. There's plenty of liberal and conservative assholes. I'm not gonna judge all liberals based on some of the stupid things I've heard individual liberals say. |
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
2579 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2003 : 12:44:16 PM
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Originally posted by Poparad
This whole website has me wondering, "Did we learn *anything* from Senator McCarthy?"
There is a big difference between McCarthyism and private citizens voicing their opinions on the Internet, or by boycotting movies, music, etc.
Freedom of speech applies to everyone in the United States, but it doesn't assure anyone of freedom from rebuttal, ridicule, or boycotting. It assures freedom from GOVERNMENT reprisal. You can't get shot, arrested, or prosecuted for speaking your mind. But neither can any other Joe Citizen, regardless of what a dunderhead he is. |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2003 : 1:50:36 PM
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Thank you Teri I was trying to put that into words by over stressed brain couldn't handle it.
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Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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GRock
Try A Little Harder
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Posted - 05/02/2003 : 2:04:22 PM
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by going to see the movies that these people make or star in, you are providing them with income and fame. and that income and fame is what allows them to stand out and say more of the stupid things you don't want to hear.
i don't see micheal moore movies cuz he presents true facts but never in context. he changes around the actual timelines so his movies look like something very bad is happening instead of just something bad. and then he has the gall to edit sound bites and put them together to make people say things that they have never said and would never say. and i am not gonna give money for his lies.
i think it only makes sense to boycott someone who's personal views you don't aggree with.
i know many people here don't like bush. and by going to rallies and saying how much you dislike him on message boards gets that message out. i like him and so i support what he says and if everything stays on track i will be voting for him next year. and i don't support hillary clinton because i mean look at her husband. she needs to stand up and say no more to him. how can she just let him dog around town. i can't support someone like that.
and like france. i don't buy anything from france. if it says made in france, or i find out that the company is french, i don't buy it. why?? cuz i don't agree with how france has been doing things for my entire life (21+ yrs). they are wusses and i don't need wuss stuff from a wuss country.
i don't go to susan sarandon movies cuz i know that she stands for selfishness and caringabout herself and making that look like concern for others. she is not a good person. and she is a bad example to our country. and i wouldn't go to see janeane garafalo, not because of anything she says, i must admit she is an idiot sometimes but because she isn't a good actress.
i like mel gibson and bruce willis because they are good actors and i agree with many (but not all) of the things they advocate. it only makes sense to give money to causes and people that you agree with.
so in closing to my rant, it ok to voice your opinion in your actions and how you spend your money too. and i hope you all see my point. you don't have to agree with my opinions of these people but understand that everytime you buy something you support all the people that make that product. it's kinda like boycotting sweatshops. and that is making a diference.
EDIT: I do agree with many of the principals of these poeple but i don't agree with their methods. free speech, religion and i want more jobs too. and some things i think are rather smart but on a whole i can not support someone who is pursueing a different course for our society (socialism/communism) and our world and tearing all the good things (marriage/family) down. |
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Poparad
Try A Little Harder
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Posted - 05/02/2003 : 2:25:29 PM
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What I meant by the McCarthyism bit was not anything to do with what they were saying, just the idea that the guy put up this website for the sole purpose of singling out people based on their political opinions and calling them unamerican and the such. It's ok the say your opinion, but I find the website's concept as a whole a little unnerving.
Ok, allow me to put on my flame-retardent suite here. Ok, now for the French thing. I don't see the logic in boycotting things from French companies or things of French culture. There are many things our government does that I don't agree with, but does that make me responsible for it? No (you may argue voting but I do my part). Likewise, just because you disagree with the French goverment's policy and stances on issues doesn't mean every last thing French is responsible. And often times, a lot of companies that are French based have a lot of workers here in America. Hotel chains, food companies, etc, so by boycotting French companies you're also hurting (albeit a small degree) Americans. There's too much hate in the world as it is, no need adding more to it. But, you can still disagree with the French government all you want. I just don't see the logic in a lot of the boycotts or "Freedom Fries" stuff.
Who was it that said it? "Turn it into love!" |
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GRock
Try A Little Harder
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Posted - 05/02/2003 : 2:42:42 PM
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yeah freedom fries is totally retarded. i agree. but so are the french. ok that was just too easy. sorry. so i support french business and that builds up the french economy so that the leaders of their country have a prominent role and then through the UN they basically revoke the Constitution in favor of globalization.
i agree that we should love everyone and that includes our enemies. but we shouldn't accept our enemy's terms and give our trust and finacial backing to them.
The french were a supporter of saddam. along with china and russian and germany they made deals that when the UN (who they are all members of) voted to remove the sanctions (which these 4 countries were trying to do for years) then they would move in to tap the oil reserves and build the manufacturing facilities. and that is just one of the reasons to not like the french. they are liars and support anything that will put them ahead. look at how they are now scrambling to have these deals they made with saddam stay legally binding. they want all of the illegal contracts so they can still go through with their plan to build oil refineries in Iraq. i mean this is craziness to support these people. so oil crazy and eager to make some money.
and a boycott of french goods doesn't involve just not buying french goods. instead you buy american goods, or iraqi goods or whatever country you want. so if i buy american then only americans get my money and only the french are hurt, and then when they say, "hey our leaders are doing things to piss off other countries, let's elect someone who will do good and not make under the table oil agreements with saddam that go to fund all his weapons and child killing." and then i would be able to buy french goods with a clean concience.
sometimes love is hard. and i think the best way to love the french is to tell them "NO". to tell them that they are doing wrong by supporting this "capitalism at any cost" ideas. that is love. |
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victorwootenfan
Alien Abductee
USA
2128 Posts |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2003 : 3:21:26 PM
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Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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j
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Posted - 05/02/2003 : 5:11:27 PM
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meh, this site is so bloated with things that enrage me that I have a hard time thinking clearly. It's not what they're saying, it's how they're saying it. Personally, I really have no emotional state with what Opinion McOpinionington and his keyboard have to say. What does bother me however, is how they say what they say.
Just look at their alma mater:
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This site is dedicated to exposing the elitists among us that feel compelled to speak out against the very country that afforded them the opportunity to earn a King's fortune.
The hypocrisy of their half-witted statements and their anti-American sentiments are testaments to their arrogance. While America faces monumental challenges at home and abroad, they feel compelled to leave their mansions and attack the country that makes it possible for them to do so. Since they have decided to use their fame as a pulpit to spew their misinformed views, we have decided to hold them accountable here in the forum of public opinion.
Not only do they inject their sentences with the grammatical skills of a doorknob, but they have also managed to create a language altogether devoid of any minute semblence of meaning. I can read the words, I can certainly see them, but the sentences are no better than the claims that famousidiots.com attempts to debunk.
This site exemplifies exactly what it seeks to ameliorate; the difference is that their notoriety is a function of their stupidity. The people at famousidiots.com are famous because of their own steadfast, blinding, pure idiocy.
With that being said, I think there are two ways one can handle famousidiots.com. Considering that the whole site is extraordinarily meaningless, you could just not care. After all, the heart of the entertainment industry does not beat congruously with the sentiments of famousidiots.com. If anything, famousidiots.com is a gross and superfluous appendage like the appendix, serving no real function save the occasional pain-in-the-ass. So, who gives a shit about the site?
But that's no fun, I think the thing to do is fuck with them. Request to be on the list of famous idiots. If you're a musician, think of it as free publicity. Feed their fire, give them more chances to let their astonishing intellect shine through the murky bilge of famous people's tirades. From the looks of the fan comments, it wouldn't take much to piss off those whose homepage is set to famousidiots.com.
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Poparad
Try A Little Harder
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Posted - 05/02/2003 : 5:45:16 PM
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If you're a musician, think of it as free publicity. Feed their fire, give them more chances to let their astonishing intellect shine through the murky bilge of famous people's tirades. From the looks of the fan comments, it wouldn't take much to piss off those whose homepage is set to famousidiots.com.
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victorwootenfan
Alien Abductee
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pcbTIM
Alien Abductee
USA
6501 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2003 : 9:03:15 PM
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Gay marriage killed the dinosaurs. |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2003 : 10:00:28 PM
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You don't understand how they can boycott those people on a verbal basis. I don't understand how people can support them because of that same verbal basis. I've heard lots of people say that they are now going to listen to the Dixie Chicks because they bad mouthed Bush.
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Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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pcbTIM
Alien Abductee
USA
6501 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2003 : 06:34:26 AM
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| I totally agree Arthen. If it is something trivial like whether or not the person likes the president, why even bother? Maybe it gives people a chance to feel that they have something in common with movie stars. And if that's true, boy would that be pathetic. |
Gay marriage killed the dinosaurs. |
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Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 05/03/2003 : 06:48:35 AM
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'HTG, are you a cute girl?'
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Fleabass76
Fluffy-Esque
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Posted - 05/05/2003 : 01:49:26 AM
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| That was freaking retarded. The fact that people are bothering to boycott celebrities because of how they feel is ridiculous and it only gives more merit to what they say. I don't look to what celebrities say for my moral or political compass and neither should anyone else, unless the person has actually done extensive research on the topic at hand, like Bono or RATM for example. Boycotting these people is like a roundabout and fairly ineffective way of censoring them, which is pretty un-American to my pinko commie leftist baby-eating eyes. |
Robots are the enemy? Hmm... |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2003 : 03:35:30 AM
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Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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Fleabass76
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 05/05/2003 : 04:55:11 AM
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| More like cornish hens... |
Robots are the enemy? Hmm... |
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pcbTIM
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 05/05/2003 : 05:07:04 AM
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Hehe.....reminds me of that scene in the Simpsons.......
Chief Wiggum's tour of the Museum of Crime: "Now, what I am about to show you all next will shock and educate you. Hold onto your values as we step through the looking-glass into a HIPPIE POT PARTY... While Johnny Welfare plays acid rock on a stolen guitar, his old lady has a better idea" (he flicks a light switch to reveal a crude dummy of a woman poised to eat a sandwich containing a human baby!)... "That's right, she's got the munchies for a California Cheeseburger!".
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GRock
Try A Little Harder
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Posted - 05/05/2003 : 5:17:20 PM
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you certainly wouldn't donate money to a presidential candidate whom you disliked, right? Or give money to the KKK?? Or go to a pro-life demonstration when you are pro-choice (except to heckle, which i think shows a lack of respect)? so if you fund people/actors/celebrities that do donate to these things then your money is indirectly going to those things that are working against your beliefs. i think we can make this world a better place, but the way to do that is not by supporting people and organizations that (whether they think so or not) are going against the things that are right.
i respect people's opinions on many things and i will hear an actor or anybody out when they have a statement to make. But when that statement is wrong and when that opinion is not supported by any facts and it goes against things that i know are true. i cannot support it. i can not pay 7-10$ to watch a movie when i know that some of that 7-10$ is going to that person and their cause. it just wouldn't make sense.
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CPPJames
Yak Addict
Fyro Macedonia
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Posted - 05/05/2003 : 5:30:56 PM
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Cost/benefit analysis...
If I have a friend that's anti war and he/she's very outspoken about it, so be it. The value of that friendship is worth more to me than a disagreement about an issue. I don't believe that these celebrities have that much of an affect on the general public. The $2 that they might see by me purchasing a ticket to their movie doesn't change their opinion on the matter. I'd rather put $2 into a cause that I don't agree with and get the pleasure of seeing the film than to live a life where I'm avoiding everyone I disagree with.
Forgive me if I'm completely off base on this, but from what I can gather, Tim is anti-war. I'm not. I love his music...I will continue to purchase it. Following your own logic, you shouldn't be here =). |
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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victorwootenfan
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 05/05/2003 : 9:27:44 PM
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Forgive me if I'm completely off base on this, but from what I can gather, Tim is anti-war. I'm not. I love his music...I will continue to purchase it. Following your own logic, you shouldn't be here =).
EXACTLY!!! You've hit it perfectly. I figure just because you disagree with someone or something, that doesn't mean you can't enjoy listening or watching them. I don't check bands to see if they are really conservative fanatics, or whatnot. If i like their music as it is, without the personality behind. Occasionally you get a great guy(like victor wooten) behind the music, and it's a double bonus. Some musician's are total assholes, but i'll listen to it if the music is a good, a don't care about anything else.
So go on and not support whoever you want, take that 3 cents out of their pocket. If you think it's for the best, go for it! |
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Saint Jude
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Posted - 05/05/2003 : 11:59:24 PM
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tims anti war????
/me digs through his cd/dvd collection, takes out all tims cds, all dmb cds/dvds... all tim bootlegs...................................
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CPPJames
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and listens to them, good music is good music.
Yer damn right. |
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worst web site ever!
