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KevinLesko
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Posted - 04/14/2003 :  3:29:07 PM  Show Profile  Send KevinLesko an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Hey guys, have you all seen the mpeg video of Dave + Tim's new song "Stay or Leave" I have it if anyone wants it, although it may be hard to send unless you have a fast connection. It's pretty sweet though, and I didn't know that any of the shows were video taped, so I'm guessing the whole show migh be out there.

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Kevin

CPPJames
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Posted - 04/14/2003 :  3:50:06 PM  Show Profile  Send CPPJames an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Oooooooooh, I'll take it! Gimme details!

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Erich
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Posted - 04/14/2003 :  3:51:37 PM  Show Profile  Send Erich an AOL message  Reply with Quote
at least 3/28, 3/29, and 4/3 were video taped, and will be out at one point (for anyone else reading this, dont ask me when or how or whatever, cause i honestly dont know). Any others may be out there but i dont know. And just a reminder you need the SVCD codec for this MPG. And heres another link for it:

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&action=showpost&postid=650946


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hukkanen
Is Anybody Here?

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Posted - 04/14/2003 :  6:18:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
--"And just a reminder you need the SVCD codec for this MPG."

Or you could be lazy like me and watch it upside-down using WMP. I really need that codec.
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CPPJames
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Posted - 04/14/2003 :  6:53:21 PM  Show Profile  Send CPPJames an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Anyone noticed they swapped Dave's guitar everytime he played this song? It looks like a Taylor in this video (which obviously have some pretty solid treble) but I can't really tell. Anyone know?

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Baboonboy
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Posted - 04/14/2003 :  7:33:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit Baboonboy's Homepage  Send Baboonboy an AOL message  Reply with Quote
They swapped Dave's guitar cause its in a different tuning. Not sure how Tim played it as I am not a guitar player really...but uh..yeah.

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CPPJames
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Posted - 04/14/2003 :  9:18:54 PM  Show Profile  Send CPPJames an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Is it in a different tuning though? I mean, that would obviously make sense...but I've never seen him play anything other than standard tuning or drop D and it certainly doesn't sound like drop D. Maybe he really IS heading for new frontiers =). I was just under the impression that he played almost everything D+T with a Martin and it looks like a Taylor in the video.

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CPPJames
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Posted - 04/14/2003 :  9:28:31 PM  Show Profile  Send CPPJames an AOL message  Reply with Quote
So apparently it's tuned as B E A D F# B...time to figure this one out. Anyone offer some tips on how to raise the pitch of your strings past normal tuning without snapping them? If I go one whole tone higher, my treble strings usually snap in two.

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hukkanen
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Posted - 04/14/2003 :  9:31:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
He's used the raised B tuning for You Never Know and I guess most of the Everyday songs. I guess that it is the baritone tuning. Not positive, just speculating.
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hukkanen
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Posted - 04/14/2003 :  9:33:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Don't (repeat DON'T) tune your guitar to that tuning with normal strings. They'll break. I read that you'll need heavier gauge strings.
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CPPJames
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Posted - 04/14/2003 :  10:31:43 PM  Show Profile  Send CPPJames an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Yeah, capo time =). Bless the cutaway.

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hukkanen
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Posted - 04/14/2003 :  11:16:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just put the capo on the 7th fret and go to town...
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hukkanen
Is Anybody Here?

USA
43 Posts

Posted - 04/15/2003 :  12:32:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So then there are two sets of strings to get your raised/lowered B tuning. Not that I have the time, patience, or money to experiment with this, but what type of gauge strings will accomplish this? I should probably search the site first before I ask....
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hukkanen
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Posted - 04/15/2003 :  01:57:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here's a pretty good explanation (at least to me) about the tunings.
http://www.dmbtabs.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2207&highlight=b+tuning

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j
Chatterbox

149 Posts

Posted - 04/15/2003 :  02:28:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit j's Homepage  Send j an AOL message  Reply with Quote
I would never, ever string a regular guitar with heavy gauge strings and then tune all the strings up five whole steps. That is entirely too much tension and I would imagine you would for the first time see the headstock actually in the soundhole and only attached by the wooden fragments there were once the neck.

If you tune lower, you want a heavier gauge so the strings don't flop around and sound like rubber bands. One way to achieve a raised tuning is to use what is called Nashville tuning. To do this, buy a set of regular 12-string strings, but only string the higher unison strings on your six string. So instead of using the low E, use the E string that is one octave higher than usual. When all is said and done, you will also have a new set of the regular strings because you wouldn't be needing them.

If you have alot of money they make standard tuned guitars that are scaled smaller than a regular guitar but larger than a mandolin. Check out http://www.veilletteguitars.com/gryphon.htm . Joe Veillette makes some really, really cool stuff. Just look at this: http://www.veilletteguitars.com/whatsnew.htm

j

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cappy718
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Posted - 04/15/2003 :  08:12:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit cappy718's Homepage  Send cappy718 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Hey guys this song is in raised B tuning. Although I have learned it in standard tuning. Tim could play it without changing guitars very easily by just playing in the key of B. The root chords to it are like Bm, D, A, and G...with an Em in the chorus. Cool tune though! :)

Scott

It really is Dave's pleasure for Tim to play with him!
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GuitarGuy305
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USA
2007 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2003 :  10:55:22 PM  Show Profile  Send GuitarGuy305 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Raised B tuning? Why not just put a capo at VII? That fucking Dave and his thing against capos.


I have never heard of such a thing as Raised B Tuning. Most guys I know just capo it up to VII. If it is B E A D F# B, it might be in baritone tuning, which would be tuned down, not up.

Adam
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CPPJames
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Posted - 04/17/2003 :  09:16:47 AM  Show Profile  Send CPPJames an AOL message  Reply with Quote
If you listen to it though, it's too high pitched to be baritone...capo VII makes it sound fine.

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tericee
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USA
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Posted - 04/18/2003 :  01:42:14 AM  Show Profile  Visit tericee's Homepage  Send tericee an AOL message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CPPJames

Yeah, capo time =).



Capos are WAY cool!

Check out the online capo museum...

I like the "poor boy's capo"
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Bustoff
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145 Posts

Posted - 04/18/2003 :  6:32:36 PM  Show Profile  Send Bustoff an AOL message  Reply with Quote
Flaming Moe anyone???
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