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thomasode
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 Posted - 03/18/2003 : 09:44:56 AM
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| I know good ole Dubya said "48 hours". What do ya'll think of this move? |
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victorwootenfan
Alien Abductee
USA
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thewayfarer
Is Anybody Here?
USA
37 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2003 : 12:52:38 PM
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| It'd be nice, but it doesn't seem very likely Saddam will leave Iraq. Hasn't he said in the past that he would rather be killed in a military invasion than go into exile? I just hope that all the Iraqi citizens that are able to get safely out of the country before this gets going do so. That is one place I would not want to be right now. |
"Underneath you know well you have nothing to fear, for the dreams that came to you when so young, told of a life where spring is sprung."
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CPPJames
Yak Addict
Fyro Macedonia
800 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2003 : 2:33:35 PM
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| I would say that war is far from eminent. Imminent on the other hand, I'd say is a pretty safe bet. The rules were outlined, we'll see what happens. No use trying to predict it. |
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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thomasode
Yak Addict
565 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2003 : 2:39:20 PM
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| I know I'm a horrible speller. |
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CPPJames
Yak Addict
Fyro Macedonia
800 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2003 : 3:30:35 PM
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| Just givin' ya a hard time =). |
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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Dickey500
Chatterbox
USA
144 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2003 : 10:35:55 PM
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| Hey, you may spell like crap - but I'll bet that you can pronounce the word "nuclear" better than the leader of our country. |
"All of us contain Music & Truth, but most of us can't get it out." - Mark Twain |
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CPPJames
Yak Addict
Fyro Macedonia
800 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2003 : 10:44:45 PM
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| Intelligence doesn't make a good leader. Not saying that he is, or he isn't. I can name some people with IQs well over 180 that would be terrible leaders of this country. And per my tendency to go against the crowd, I'd file Clinton up there with bad leaders. |
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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Dickey500
Chatterbox
USA
144 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2003 : 10:54:27 PM
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| I agree, presidents are mainly figureheads - but dubya takes the cake as one of the stupidest leaders this country has seen. |
"All of us contain Music & Truth, but most of us can't get it out." - Mark Twain |
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CPPJames
Yak Addict
Fyro Macedonia
800 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2003 : 12:09:44 AM
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| Kennedy wasn't exactly the brightest bulb in the box. Yet everyone loved him because he was charismatic. |
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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Fleabass76
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 03/19/2003 : 02:10:00 AM
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Clinton was charismatic. Bush is fake-charismatic. He's a horrible actor, he definitely doesn't feel my pain. hehe.
Bush's speaches teach me how to stop worrying and love the bomb.
Bush said after 48 hours we would take action at a time of our choosing, I'm guessing he's going to let them sweat a little bit, it's the cowboy way. Midnight(Iraq time) Thursday, that's my prediction.
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Robots are the enemy? Hmm... |
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CPPJames
Yak Addict
Fyro Macedonia
800 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2003 : 09:57:47 AM
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Fair enough. I think that a lot of people immediately equate bombing with massive amounts of casualties. I don't necessarily think this will be the case. If we take out what amounts to their entire infrastructure, and all of the strategic targets...sure, there will be loss of life. I just don't think it's going to be nearly as high as people think.
Charisma doesn't get my vote...whether it's fake or real. I'd rather a 4 legged freak with half a mind for politics actually ran one of these days. |
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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victorwootenfan
Alien Abductee
USA
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therippa
Fluffy-Esque
Kazakhstan
1099 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2003 : 11:44:41 AM
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| Ya know, I miss the days when our leaders were busy getting blowjobs instead of invading other countries. They say that 2/3 of the country supports this war, but you have to remember that 2/3 of this country still drink Bud Lite and beat their wives. |
Aspiring to Be Fluffy-Esque an Alien Abductee! |
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CPPJames
Yak Addict
Fyro Macedonia
800 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2003 : 12:06:46 PM
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As much as there are extremists who would rather die, knowing that there death really doesn't change anything...I don't think that they're the majority. Haven't heard this is the case, but it really wouldn't surprise me.
I've been torn on the entire war issue. Some days I wake up and think that the war is completely about oil (which it very well may be) and other days I wake up and realize...yeah, this guy isn't a threat now, but he very well could be. I think there are *some* valid reasons for a war, but I don't think they're necessarily enough to justify it at this point. |
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Saint Jude
Alien Abductee
USA
2144 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2003 : 2:46:13 PM
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| its actually 49% of americans suport the war. last i heard. |
Remember, turn off your tv. Read. |
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CPPJames
Yak Addict
Fyro Macedonia
800 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2003 : 3:07:43 PM
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| Really? I had a figure much closer to the 2/3. That's a whole dumpload of people that changed their minds really recently. |
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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Fleabass76
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1026 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2003 : 3:23:21 PM
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| The numbers depend on what network you're watching. Fox News' are always biased since they have call-in polls, so obviously the turnout is going to be more conservative. All the networks are claiming that 17 Iraqi soldiers have "surrendered" though I guess a better word is defected since we're technically fighting yet. We've also hit 10 targets in the no-fly zone. |
Robots are the enemy? Hmm... |
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pcbTIM
Alien Abductee
USA
6501 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2003 : 04:21:42 AM
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| I doubt it's really 49% in actuality because you also need to factor in all the people who no longer follow politics due to Bush's poor management. That would lower it a bit. Also, I think that if you looked at percentages by states, Texas would probably compensate for the other 49. |
Gay marriage killed the dinosaurs. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2003 : 08:33:45 AM
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Not any more.....it's already started! Damn Damn Damn!!!!!!
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"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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CPPJames
Yak Addict
Fyro Macedonia
800 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2003 : 09:49:10 AM
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| People that no longer follow politics because of Bush's poor management? That strikes me as an incredibly peculiar statement. "Well, I don't like the guy in office...so I'm done with politics." I sat through years of Clinton, and I watched every move he made. People tend to become exceeding more interested when someone does something they don't want...when it's the status quo, people tend to not care. Just disagreeing I suppose. |
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2003 : 10:47:52 AM
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I agree with you CPPJames, at least I tend to watch more closesly at those I don't trust. Yes I watched Clinton, because "she " was the one running the country....he was busy getting blowjobs!
I also watch George because I don't trust him with a 10 foot pole. I have absolutely no respect for the man. But I didn't like Gore either so what can I say? I actually liked Gore years ago but he really changed over the years as VP.
In all the years since I began voting I have yet to vote for someone for President that I was totally happy with. The people I am impressed with never make it that far.
I will probably switch to the Libertarian Party in the next year or so. I have always been registered Republican, but I don't feel like one. I don't feel like a Democrat either.
I have to say it is a lot easier to be critical of who ever is in office. Looking for positives someTIMes requires more effort. |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Saint Jude
Alien Abductee
USA
2144 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2003 : 10:48:36 AM
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| there was an article yesterday that i found that siad the suport for the war 'shot up' to 71% after his speech. but people believe what their told. It did the same thing after his state of the union addres, and went back down. So. It doesnt really matter how many people approve of it, he was going to do it no matter what. His over all aproval is around 50, but blairs's (britans prime minister) is only 33%... yikes. |
Remember, turn off your tv. Read. |
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tim~and~dave
Chatterbox
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Posted - 03/20/2003 : 11:46:57 AM
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Originally posted by PJK
...he was busy getting blowjobs!
nothign atall wrong with that is there i think you'll agree |
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CPPJames
Yak Addict
Fyro Macedonia
800 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2003 : 12:18:57 PM
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I know this was mentioned before, but seriously...it'd be a hell of a lot easier to read your posts if you punctuated.
Back to the lecture at hand...I think people tend to associate whether a president was good/affective/what have you by the state of the union. This really isn't a great indicator. There are so many factors that the president has no control over. Clinton was lucky enough to have an administration where the biggest issue was the economy. Bush isn't so lucky. |
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2003 : 2:18:02 PM
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True CCPJ but Bush is making foreign policy a bigger factor than it needed to be. A few questions: How the hell are we going to afford this war? Where does it end? The whole "have Saddam leave Iraq" was a joke. Why should he leave, it is his damn country, who the hell are we to decide who should be in power there? Do you really think there is someone better out there? Don't even get me going on the differences between the Shites and the Sunnis! And the Kurds! They are no angels! Yes Sadam killed thousands of them but don't think for a minute they are much better. Why do you think Turkey is so up tight right now?
Then there are REAL threats like North Korea and Pakistan and India.Syria, lets not forget Syria. And all this time and talk of mass destruction while hundreds of thousands of Aficans are dying of starvation because of the bloody wars there.
I am sorry. Yes I am aware of the danger of mass destructive weapons and yes I know Saddam probably possesses them but I don't think that holds a candle to what else is out there. This isn't suddenly new. These dangers were there prior to 9-11 and 9-11 had NOTHING to do with this as much as Mr Bush tries to say it does!
Sorry if this comes off a bit strong, but to me WAR is almost never an option! Period! |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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CPPJames
Yak Addict
Fyro Macedonia
800 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2003 : 4:23:20 PM
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I love different opinions...no worries =). How are we going to afford the war? Don't really care, personally. Peace of mind has no price tag as far as I'm concerned. Yes, there are other threats out there and yes, they need to be addressed as well.
I'm not saying that I fully support a war in Iraq, I'm simply saying that I don't think it's as horrible of an idea as others do. As far as the starvation comment goes, fair enough. I just think the US needs to stop being the world's policeman. If we solved everyone's problems, we'd have far larger ones here. |
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2003 : 4:56:40 PM
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Yes, I guess that is all we have is our opinions since we can't do a whole lot about the situation anyway.
Guess the key is to appreciate what we have both materialistic and opinions (freedom of expression). Regardless, I am still glad I live in the USA.
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"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
2579 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2003 : 8:23:29 PM
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One thing I'm happy about is that since Vietnam, U.S. citizens have been much better about blaming the politicians rather than the soldiers. (I have a co-worker who was in Vietnam; he was spat upon by people when he came home.)
These days people seem more supportive of Joe Solider. Perhpas they understand now that the military doesn't pick the fights -- the government does. |
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