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therippa
Fluffy-Esque
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SpaceMonkey
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 Posted - 02/05/2003 : 6:55:04 PM
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You can let me know if I'm wrong, but I heard the proverbial shit will hit the fan on the 17th.
I didn't read the speech, but I imagine it's safe to assume it's just more fabricated bs. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 02/05/2003 : 7:16:55 PM
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I have a great deal of respect for Colin Powell. I just don't really know what to believe and what not to. I hope the shit doesn't hit the fan on the 17th.
Has anyone heard what happened to those terrorists who came in through Canada around Christmas time and had the FBI all upset????? I don't remember hearing about them after New Years.
Would be totally ironic if they set up a lab for bio warfare right here in the good old USA. Quite possible, this is a big country. It isn't hard to transport bacteria. And easy to grow. Just a thought. |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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SpaceMonkey
Chatterbox
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Posted - 02/05/2003 : 10:29:32 PM
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Here's the lastest newsletter from FAIR (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, Media Analysis, and Activism). If your into this stuff I highly recommend using their site as a resource:
http://www.fair.org
Sorry, I don't know how to format this to make it easier on the eyes...but I know some of you will take the time to read it.
MEDIA ADVISORY:
Iraq's Hidden Weapons: From Allegation to Fact
February 4, 2003
While teams of U.N. experts scouring Iraq have yet to find any hidden
caches of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, some U.S.
journalists
seem to have already turned up their own smoking guns. Whether out of
excess zeal or simple carelessness, the media's intensive coverage of
the
U.N. inspections has repeatedly glided from reporting the allegation
that
Iraq is hiding banned weapons materials to repeating it as a statement
of
fact.
"The Bush administration is seeking to derail plans by the chief U.N.
weapons inspector to issue another report," wrote the Washington Post's
Colum Lynch (1/16/03), "fearing it could delay the U.S. timetable for
an
early confrontation over Iraq's banned weapons programs."
"Today Mr. Bush left it to his spokesman to answer critics who asked
what
precise threat Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction pose to
America,"
reported NBC White House correspondent David Gregory (NBC Nightly News,
1/27/03).
Tony Blair, wrote Time's Michael Elliot (2/3/03), has declared that
"Britain's troops will fight alongside their American counterparts if
Washington judges that Saddam Hussein is not making a good-faith effort
to
disarm Iraq's weapons of mass destruction."
Clearly, however, it has not been demonstrated that Iraq continues to
hold
unconventional weapons, such as the chemical munitions it used in its
war
against Iran. (Iraq is barred from possessing or developing such
weapons
under the ceasefire agreement that ended the 1991 Gulf War.) On the
contrary, the 1999 U.N. report that led to the establishment of UNMOVIC
summarized the state of Iraq's disarmament this way: "Although
important
elements still have to be resolved, the bulk of Iraq's proscribed
weapons
programmes has been eliminated." (The report was issued by the U.N.
Security Council's disarmament panel, whose members included senior
UNSCOM
officials, such as its American deputy executive director, Charles
Duelfer.)
Rolf Ekeus, who led UNSCOM from 1991 to 1997, agrees with that
assessment:
"I would say that we felt that in all areas we have eliminated Iraq's
capabilities fundamentally," he told a May 2000 Harvard seminar (AP,
8/16/00), adding that "there are some question marks left."
Iraq's failure to document its answers to those remaining "question
marks"
formed the basis of Hans Blix's critical January 27 progress report to
the
U.N.
But while Blix said he could not certify that all of the proscribed
materials Iraq once possessed had been destroyed, neither did he find
evidence that any remain. In private, some inspectors do not rule out
the
possibility that Iraq truly is free of banned weapons: "We haven't
found
an iota of concealed material yet," one unnamed UNMOVIC official told
Los
Angeles Times Baghdad correspondent Sergei Loiko (12/31/02), who added:
"The inspector said his colleagues think it possible that Iraq really
has
eliminated its banned materials."
Yet some major news outlets seem to have made up their minds to the
contrary. The Bush administration, according to CBS's John Roberts
(CBS
Evening News, 12/29/02), is "threatening war against Iraq and its
weapons
of mass destruction," while Dan Rather (CBS Evening News, 1/6/03)
announced that "the CIA is being urged to make public more of its
intelligence about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction."
In a piece about how the United States is winning the debate at the
U.N.
over Iraq, the New York Times (2/2/03) claimed that "nobody seriously
expected Mr. Hussein to lead inspectors to his stash of illegal poisons
or
rockets, or to let his scientists tell all." On January 27, CNN host
Paula Zahn teased the network's upcoming live coverage of the
inspectors'
"highly anticipated progress report on the search for Iraq's weapons of
mass destruction."
Through constant repetition of phrases like "the search for Iraq's
weapons
of mass destruction," the media convey to the public the impression
that
the alleged banned weapons on which the Bush administration rests its
case
for war are known to exist and that the question is simply whether
inspectors are skillful enough to find them. In fact, whether or not
Iraq
possesses banned weapons is very much an open question, one which no
publicly available evidence can answer one way or the other. As they
routinely do in other cases, journalists should make a habit of using
the
modifier "alleged" when referring to Iraq's alleged hidden weapons. |
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KevinLesko
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 02/06/2003 : 01:42:41 AM
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Has anyone heard what happened to those terrorists who came in through Canada around Christmas time and had the FBI all upset????? I don't remember hearing about them after New Years.
Yes, it turns out it was a false lead... thats what I hate about the media... they will pump you full of fear, but they never report about the rebuttals or when they are wrong. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2003 : 06:41:39 AM
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First, Kevin, thanks....I kept wondering what happened, thanks for the answer! Really appreciate it!
Seconly, Spacemonkey, thanks for the info and the web address. I wrote it down on my calendar so I will have it long after this thread is gone.
As for the format, no problem. I don't mind long, just long big "block" paragraphs with no breaks. Thanks for the concern though, this was a piece of cake to read! Even if it wasn't you are right that I would care more about the content than the format anyway. Even with Fluffy's long posts, as I stated before, I would rather have Fluffy's comments without paragraphs then no Fluffy at all.
Again thanks for the info. VERY interesting! |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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victorwootenfan
Alien Abductee
USA
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__________
Try A Little Harder
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KevinLesko
Alien Abductee
3712 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2003 : 01:43:19 AM
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| It seems to be that Cloin is tryin to link Iraq to the Talban so that the US citizens will back the war... but everything I read from the rest of the world shows that they think there is no link between the Taliban and Iraq... here is an example.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2727471.stm |
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KevinLesko
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 02/08/2003 : 01:44:36 AM
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| It also appears that I could not have spelled Mr. Powell's name any worse if I had tried... I think I'll just leave that up there for humor's sake. |
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