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sonny
Is Anybody Here?
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 Posted - 07/16/2002 : 5:41:21 PM
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I need help playing my solos! In my band, I find myself playing a lot of tunes (covers) in the key of E minor / G major. When i comes to solo-time, i find myself using the same old "E- minor pentatonic scale" up and down on the 12th fret. What else can I do? I am sick of that same old pattern:
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I end up playing up and down this same old pattern....... any suggestions. This is about the only scale i know. What are some others i can play that would work? Any suggestions are helpful.
sonny
sonny@treefrogband.com
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Saint Jude
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Posted - 07/16/2002 : 7:35:55 PM
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G maj scale. G mixo might be good... depending the song. E harm minor might be good to. depends on the song obviously.
- Without you, without you everything falls apart
Without you, it's not as much fun to pick up the pieces.
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CheersDtoT
Try A Little Harder
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Posted - 07/17/2002 : 11:56:33 AM
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Well when I play solo's I make them up on the spot . All I do is I find all the notes that could fit and then I just play them at random and when you feel like tweeking a note do it and when you feel like playing hella fast you can bust that out up and down the neck ! Cheers
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Jay
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Posted - 07/17/2002 : 1:17:20 PM
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Ed Zachary. Some of the best soloists I know can't really name the key of a song right on the spot. They watch the notes played, and then basically turn that into a solo. It is very valuable to know the scales and all that shit, but do you really think that an improv. guitar player is gonna go, " Okay guys, key of e minor, scale f sharp major pentatonic minorities souped up chicken dinner with the mashed potato french fries sprinkled on top?" Of course not!
Jay
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JTR
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Silky The Pimp
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Posted - 07/22/2002 : 7:51:31 PM
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That's probably a good reason why Steve Vai sounds lifeless when he plays... in my opinion.
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JTR
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Saint Jude
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Posted - 07/24/2002 : 02:15:00 AM
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but do you really think that an improv. guitar player is gonna go, " Okay guys, key of e minor, scale f sharp major pentatonic minorities souped up chicken dinner with the mashed potato french fries sprinkled on top?" Of course not!
actually they do that quite often. Expecially in improv or jamming sessions. Standard blues in F, watch for the ending... or sumthing like that. it happens all the time. Happnes alot in jazz to, there are like 12 or so jazz 'standards' that are really somethin like 100 songs, in that its the same (or nearly) chord progressoins, just different keys or melody. And jazz players will change keys on the spot sometimes and solo over that... so it does help alot to be able to know what scacle to solo with.
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Well when I play solo's I make them up on the spot . All I do is I find all the notes that could fit and then I just play them at random and when you feel like tweeking a note do it and when you feel like playing hella fast you can bust that out up and down the neck !
im sure if u look at the notes you play it is some sort of scale. not just random notes.
- Without you, without you everything falls apart
Without you, it's not as much fun to pick up the pieces.
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pcbTIM
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Posted - 07/24/2002 : 04:07:10 AM
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im sure if u look at the notes you play it is some sort of scale. not just random notes.
No way........I do the same thing, and if it's anything, it's a random scale.
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Dave S
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Posted - 07/24/2002 : 11:12:09 PM
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I think what Jude was getting at is that if you videotaped yourself playing a solo, and then figured out exactly what "random" notes you played, they would make up for the most part a standard scale or chord, even if it is a modal scale.
If you plan on improvising with a group of musicians and not just by yourself, you NEED to know all of your scales/chords whatever for the instrument that you play. it is simply the language that music is spoken in. If someone calls Cherokee in Db and you stick to the main notes that sound good, you are going to sound like an amature to a trained ear...the chords are going by very quickly, and you will not have to time to pick out the right note by ear. And believe it or not, practicing your scales and chords slowly and diligently will bring creativity to your playing, as you don't have to think at all about what your fingers have to do, and you can then be creative with it and go where your emotions take you. Of course, I say this as a sax player but I'm convinced that it all carries over to the guitar.
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Saint Jude
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Posted - 07/25/2002 : 12:23:27 AM
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werd, that is waht i was saying. dont know if i explained it clearly but dave got my back.
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Cherokee in Db
heh i had to analyse that song the other night. crazy.
- Without you, without you everything falls apart
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pcbTIM
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Posted - 07/25/2002 : 8:14:30 PM
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I think I remember reading somewhere (might have been in the Live at Luther College) where TIM said that he doesn't like to use scales because whenever he wants to solo, he ends up just doing a scale. But of course, I can definitely see certain advantages to learning them.
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Jay
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Posted - 08/10/2002 : 02:34:43 AM
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they certainly build up your speed and overall agilit---DAMMIT SANDY CARL!!!!!
Jay
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NeverKillADream
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Posted - 08/20/2002 : 12:11:31 AM
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Tim goes in and out of Scale use in his playing... during one lead even usually.
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VaiMalmsteenism
Is Anybody Here?
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Posted - 02/15/2003 : 03:26:58 AM
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That's probably a good reason why Steve Vai sounds lifeless when he plays... in my opinion.
I like Tim Reynolds. In fact, the two players that I enjoy the most are tim reynolds and steve vai...along with malmsteen , lynch, satriani, and countless others. However, when you compare Reynolds to Vai, Vai is obvioulsy better. The guy played like 10 hours a day and went to Berklee. He can play anything flawlessly. Tim is a beginner compared to him. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy tim's playing...I just had to defend steve's playing because of that comment. |
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tim~and~dave
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Posted - 02/15/2003 : 09:37:43 AM
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I'm going to give this "punctuation" thing a chance. How am I doing?
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 02/15/2003 : 12:57:28 PM
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Ah....so we bring another lurker out of the shadows to post once and never be heard from again. I respect your opinion, but Tim's versatility and pure passion and soul that you can actually FEEL through the music makes him superior to ANY other player that I know IMHO. And Tim does NOT do one thing that some of those other players do. Tapping. I don't know why but I really do NOT like tapping solos.
If you're going to play fast, just play fast damn it.
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 02/15/2003 : 1:01:58 PM
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Originally posted by Saint Jude
actually they do that quite often. Expecially in improv or jamming sessions. Standard blues in F, watch for the ending... or sumthing like that. it happens all the time. Happnes alot in jazz to, there are like 12 or so jazz 'standards' that are really somethin like 100 songs, in that its the same (or nearly) chord progressoins, just different keys or melody. And jazz players will change keys on the spot sometimes and solo over that... so it does help alot to be able to know what scacle to solo with.
"Okay guys this is a blues riff in B. Watch me for the changes and try to keep up, okay?"
Movie reference anyone???
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pcbTIM
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Posted - 02/15/2003 : 3:22:41 PM
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 03/16/2003 : 11:19:51 AM
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The problem I run into is this. I can play moderately fast, and I know my Major, Minor, Pentatonic, and Blues scales. I'm getting into learning modes also, but every time I solo off the handle, just improv, it always winds up sounding bluesy or jazzy. This is decent, because I play mostly with softer acoustic based people, and most of the solos are soft and slow, but I want to be able to rip it up a bit too, you know?
Any pointers on how I can compose some kickass solos? Should I concentrate more on learning my modes?
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j
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Posted - 03/17/2003 : 4:36:48 PM
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| Actually tim taps alot, or he at least did. He doesn't do the whole Van Halen tapping solo thing, but you can hear him do it on Gossip of the Neurons era stuff. There is definately a certain timbre with different tappng techniques on an acoustic. |
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GuitarGuy305
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Posted - 03/17/2003 : 5:43:08 PM
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Yeah, i noticed on the DVD that he taps the intro to Skeleton Walls. But yeah, its not lame ass Van Halen-esque tapping. Not that Van Halen is lame, his tapping is awe inspiring in moderation, but most "tappers" as i call them turn me off.
But for the most part, I'm sure Tim does not tap. I mean some of those runs he does are just fucking amazing, and hes not tapping them.
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j
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Posted - 03/17/2003 : 7:41:23 PM
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| Whenever I've heard him tap it was usually during a quiet, more mellow part. You can do some really cool two hand bends and pulloffs in conjunction with volume swells when you tap. I like tapping when it's used from a more musical approach than a balls-to-the-wall guitar approach. Michael Hedges is definately a good example; his solo guitar stuff is really good. |
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victorwootenfan
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Arthen
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Posted - 04/14/2003 : 05:05:29 AM
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| I love Vic Wooten's tapping. He does it very well and musically in my opinion, not in the "Jock/Cock Rock" fashion. |
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