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A perfect example would be going to a show. People go expecting TIM to play DMB songs, which is absolutely ridiculous. And let's not forget the hundreds of people that yell for Stream between every song. I would like TIM & Dave to tour again, but I would like to be able to screen everyone beforehand to "weed out" the assholes.

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I don't necessarily think the people you describe are 'assholes'. The truth is, people like what they like, and they can't help that.

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It think what pcbdmb was saying is that HE(and alot of other TR fans)see the yellers who detract from a TR performance as assholes. I do not think anyone on this board would call DMB fans assholes as most, if not all, of them are also DMB fans. The people who yell and talk and don't pay attention because it isn't what they selfishly want to hear are seen as assholes at any concert by any band. Keep in mind, DMB said he would never do another acoustic tour at the very end of the last acoustic tour because folks were so rude. So it's not just the TR fans who feel this way. Inconsiderate people at concerts affect everyone including the artists. It's just plain rude and that makes them assholes in others eyes. I wouldn't take a comment like that so personally.

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Now granted, I understand that the less knowledgeable dave fans will show up at a Tim show and expect Tim to play DMB music, but I don't think that's good reason for Tim to not play with Dave.

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That is definitely not the reason TR doesn't play with Dave. As I stated above, many TIMes, TR does not play with Dave BECAUSE DAVE HAS NOT ASKED HIM TOO. That is the ONLY reason. I don't see why so many in the DMB community seem to think that somehow TR is can do something about this. It is really not up to TR so he goes about his own career. There is no spite toward the fans that keeps him from playing with Dave, just a lack of opportunity, so do not hold it against TR that he does not play with Dave. If the opportunity presented itself and he turned it down, then and only then could you question TR's reasons for not playing with Dave.

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If he never plays with Dave again, he'll never get the kind of exposure he has gotten again (assuming he continues on the path he's on today and doesn't join any other musicians). It makes me sad to think that's a possibility..and not just because I love seeing dave and tim play together, but because I believe Tim could really cement himself a position in guitar history if he took advantage of this. Maybe that's not important to him, but it would make me a lot happier if Tim were getting the kind of recognition that he deserved.

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If you reread what I wrote in the above posts I think you will see that we realize TR will not get that kind of exposure on his own. We also don't see that exposure as having a huge impact on his solo career for the reasons stated above. I will not repeat them all here again, you can reread the posts above to see what I am talking about. TR is not interested in cementing a place for him in guitar history. If it happens great. If he has a goal in life it is to be a great father and husband. That is TR's main goal in life. He makes music because it makes him happy, not to become more famous or carve a spot for himself in guitar history. That is something I do. I try to take what TR does and get it out there to as many so he may benefit, but he does not set out to make himself more famous. He makes music and take that and hope that I can cultivate a larger following for him out of what he is doing at any given TIMe. I am the first one to admit that I would love to see TR get huge, but if it doesn't happen that is OK because I enjoy what he does and enjoy accompanying him on the road. I have toured with alot of bands and never have I been happier about the artist I am working for than TR. I respect his desire to make music for himself without concern for how it will be recieved. I really respect that. I try and listen to what he does and see if there is some way to get it out to an audience that will respect what he does because they also enjoy it. I would never think to ask TR to do something he didn't want to just because we could make more fans that way. I like that he stays true to himself and his craft. Call it selfish if you want to, but he is just trying to make himself happy in this world. Everyone is selfish like that and I think they should be. Otherwise you spend your whole life doing what others tell you to do and you will be unhappy and miserable your whole life and that would be a shame. I told TR along TIMe ago, that I will continue to work for him as long as he does what he is happy doing. I do not want to work for someone who is miserable the whole TIMe they are doing it. Part of the great thing about this job is getting to travel with someone who is so excited about what he is doing. It makes it fun for everyone. It would suck to be working for some miserable motherfucker who was always in a bad mood and bitching because he is not happy doing what he is doing and ends up taking out the frustration on the people around him. It is an extreme pleasure and I am exceptionally lucky to working for someone as talented and someone who I am always happy to be around. It would make us all alot happier if TR got the recognition he deserved but none of us are willing to get that recognition at the expense of TR's happiness. I'd rather see him do what he enjoys doing to a smaller audience. I think that over TIMe his honesty to his art will translate to a larger appreciation for his ability and he will be happier with himself that it came by way of his terms and not by doing what was expected of him. If anything he needs more exposure to guitar players not more DMB fans. I feel guitar players are where TR's true audience lies. People who can appreciate whatever he does on the guitar. Of course this is just my opinion, but I feel that most guitar players probably don't give TR a chance because most guitar afficionados probably don't consider DMB as the place they think they will discover an amazing guitar player. Try and put yourself in the position of a Joe Satriani fan who all he really listens to is JS and other guitar players of that ilk. They are far less likely to be DMB fans as well. I am sure there are some, but most guitar players fall to the acousticy masters side or to the heavier electric side and I think because of his affiliation with DMB, people from those musical tastes probably don't give him a chance. Most guitar heads probably think of DMB as pop music and are therefore less likely to take a recommendation on TR because they might be thinking "how good can he be, he plays with that pop band all the little girls like." Do you see my point. I am rambling again feel I need to move on.

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Anyway, I don't see why Tim can't do both unless he draws as clearly a line between working with Dave and doing what's true to him as you do. Personally, I don't feel that he does draw that line. The evidence is in his response to other questions concerning whether he would go if Dave called him - every indication I've read is that he would do it. So, perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree here and need to pester Dave, but he's not nearly as accessible so here I am hehe.

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He does not draw a line between them and you have hit the nail squarely on the head. It is indeed, UP TO DAVE.

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My point is Tim has indicated that he would play with Dave again if Dave asked, and Tim can also still do solo tours and still make his electric albums and everyone's happy, right? I don't see why everyone doesn't consider this middle road to be ideal!

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I don't see where anyone said this middle of the road was not ideal. If you read the above posts, all "I" said was that even if he was to do them, they would not go along way to furthering his solo career. There is no reason he can't do both or even one or the other. If you reread what I said, you will see that my comments were all based on responses to how would those tours help his solo career and I still don't think they will for the reasons I gave in the above posts. I never said he shouldn't do them, I just said it wasn't a priortiy for those of us trying to further his solo career. We refuse to use those to further his career as I don't feel they will help TR. I am not saying he shouldn't or wouldn't do them, I am just saying they will not help his solo career.

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Well of COURSE what I'm saying is selfish. I want Tim to play with Dave because it makes the dmb music I love even richer and better. The hardcore tim fans selfishly want to keep him for themselves. Tim selfishly wants to do what he's doing now. There's nothing wrong with being selfish, we're all that way.

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I already commented on this above to a certain degree but I will cover it again because I feel it is very important. Let me make this perfectly clear, I DO NOT want to keep TR selfishly to myself. I want to share him with the world. Only I want to do that on TR's terms. I want people to appreciate and listen to him because the like what he has to offer, not because he plays what THEY selfishly want. So saying I want to selfishly keep TR to myself is insulting. I try very hard to get him out there into the mainstream music world. It is not easy when you are an independent artist with no label advertising you in every record store and music publication. WE are a grassroots organization that relies heavily on word of mouth. I am constantly encouraging people to turn people onto TR and his music if they think they will like it. I would love it if everyone listened to TR, but I am not willing to accomplish that by having him do something just to get him more fans. I would much rather see him build a bigger fan base doing what he is happiest doing, not by doing something just to get more fans and I am not referring to a T&D tour here but anything that might come his way that he doesn't really feel he is into doing. Something you should know is, TR regularly turns down offers to record with others because it is not something he is interested in. If he recorded with everyone who offered him a job I am sure he would be more famous but I admire that he does not go that route. He stays true to himself and what make him happy and as we all know that is gracefully portrayed in his music. That is one of the most beautiful things about his music. I comes from the heart and not the pocketbook or the need for glory or fame. Call that selfish if you want to, but I admire that trait. Look how miserable most people are in the world. Stuck in jobs they don't really like for whatever reason, not really doing what they wish they could be doing. The world would be a much nicer place and the people in much nicer people if they were all that selfish. Imagine if everyone in the world had the job they wanted and were as happy as TR is everyday when he "goes to work". Gimme that kinda selfish anyday cause it would be a much happier world with much happier people. I respect the fact that TR is true to himself or as you would call it SELFISH. Keep in mind there is a big difference between your selfishness and TR's selfishness. TR's selfishness does not require anyone else to do anything that would not make them happy. You have said for you to be happy, TR needs to play with Dave, even if that is not what TR wants to do. TR's selfishness does not require anyone else to do anything they don't want to do. So I will take that kind of selfishness over the other any day of the week. Just my 2 cents, but I hope you will take the TIMe to read it all and comment if you feel it is necessary.

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I agree with what you're saying about selling out and being true to his art, and I agree that to give up what he loves just for financial freedom or to give one group of fans (a rather large group, I might add) what they want wouldn't be right. I also agree that money isn't everything and that Tim needs to make the kind of music that is in his soul and that makes him happy. BUT I think you all are making a mistake in assuming that Tim can only choose one of two paths: sell-out, or genuine artist.

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You must understand that for TR to sign to a label would compromise his musical integrity. I have heard the contracts that have been offered him and the reasons for his turning them down. Noone has offered him creative freedom to do what he wants as an artist. So for him to sign one of THOSE contract would be TR selling out. To remain true to his craft, he has chosen to remain independent. In TR's case, it has been sell out or remain true to his craft. As an example, one of the deals offered him stated that for his first effort, the record company would get a whole bunch of known artists(ie:Bela, Dave, Victor Wooten, etc etc etc)to do accompany TR on each different song. This approach does nothing for TR creatively and is more about a record company trying to make sure the record they sink alot of money into will sell lots and lots. I am sure the fans would have been xstatic to see an album of that sort, BUT it is not what TR wanted to do. Do you understand what I am trying to say? TR has very set ideas about the way HE wants to present himself and his music. Anything short of that would be selling out. Sure he could do it and make all the fans happy and make lots of money, BUT would TR be happy. He decided he wouldn't be and I think we should respect decision. As opposed to giving us some musical output TR isn't really into, he decided to stay independent and do it his way. I think that is very admirable. Most people would just jump at the money and cater to the record company and do what is asked or suggested even if it isn't the real direction they wanted to head in.

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The truth is, there is nothing preventing Tim from giving us acoustic Tim fans what we want while still making artistic music that will never appeal to a mainstream crowd. There is definitely a middle road here!

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You are correct, there is nothing preventing TR from giving the acoustic fans what they want except for 2 things. First, TR isn't into that right now and as I have said over and over again, who wants to see TR perform for the money as opposed to perform a show that his heart is really into. I would definitely choose the latter. Secondly and most importantly, you need to understand that this is not a decision that TR makes. The opportunity to perform with Dave or DMB has to come from the DMB camp. They call him when they want to work with him. Even if TR wanted to do a T&D tour tomorrow, the decision is not his. So it really isn't a TR issue that it isn't happening. It is not like they have called him and he turned it down. So for TR to give the fans what they want, Dave or Dave's management have to initiate any tour with TR. I don't want you to think that TR is turning down offers and thinking fuck the fans. That is not the case at all. TR has said on numerous occasions that if he had an opportunity to do another tour with Dave or the band he would seriously consider it. My guess is the decision would be made at the TIMe of the offer and how he felt about it at that TIMe. As we all know about TR, he does what he feels at any given moment. Today he may not feel like doing that tour but tomorrow he might. Who can say what headspace TR will be in if and when the offer comes. So please don't hold it against TR that "the fans" are getting what they want. He is just doing what he wants while he has the TIMe since there have been no other offers put forth to him.

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Going on the D&T tours is IMO part of that middle road. Tim can play with dave every couple of years, give the acoustic fans that love hearing tim solo over dave's rhythms what we're always screaming for, and make a nice wad of money for himself. Then, when he's not touring with Dave, he can continue to create his music and albums. I don't really see why you have presented it as such a black and white choice.

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Obviously, I cannot speak for everyone on the board or even everyone who has commented on this topic, BUT I challenge you find somewhere where I have ever made a comment like this. There is just as much value to the work that TR has done with Dave as there is value to his solo work to a true TR fan. IF anything, I would say you have that reversed. DMB fans tend to act as if there is no value to TR's solo work and the only work of value is his work with Dave. Most TR fans also like his work with Dave, most DMB fans are not big fans of TR's work without Dave. Am I wrong?

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Even if, and I've never heard Tim make a comment that would support this theory, but even if Tim hated doing shows with dave and got nothing out of it artistically and it was really worthless in his mind, the music they create together still has a ton of value for a lot of us fans.

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TR has never said anything to lead me to believe that he does not enjoy the work that he has done with Dave or DMB. In fact, my guess is, he would have never gone back and done anymore work with them if he didn't enjoy it. As I have pointed out TIMe and TIMe again, TR does what moves him. So by virtue of the fact that he worked with them whenever they asked, I would say that is what he wanted to be doing at the TIMe. I have heard him say on numerous occasions that he is proud of his work with DMB, even if he can't listen to it, but that is more for personal reasons based solely on the fact that TR has a hard TIMe listening to any music he has worked on in the past including his own. I am sure that the music they create together has lots of value to the fans. I hear about it everyday in the numerous emails I answer from DMB fans who want to know if they will ever work together again, or if they really hate each other, etc etc etc. If anything, it is Dave who is neglecting the fans who want to see another team up, not TR. As I stated above, it is not up to TR, it is up to Dave, and TR has not ruled out the possibility if he was to get the call.

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There have been many times where I've listened to a tim solo in one of their shows and just thought 'wow' and been filled with all of the emotions that good music can inspire. Now, if any part of Tim's pursuit of a music career was inspired by a desire to give that feeling to listeners, then his work with Dave should definitely be in his agenda, because for every one of you that gets that feeling listening to and seeing his solo performances, there are at least a hundred dave fans that get that feeling when he plays with them.

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As for the last comments made, I think I made it pretty clear in above posts that TR's pursuit of his music career is about a desire to make himself happy with what he is doing and if he picks up fans along the way, GREAT. TR does not set with an agenda in mind to give a feeling to the listeners, he makes music for himself. Hopefully people who listen to it will feel something and hopefully what the feel is a positive thing. Right now what makes him happy is playing his electric guitar to a small room of people and hoping they dig it. If you gave him the option(without finanacial considerations of course) of playing the ChaosView show to 50 people who really dig it or play a show to thousands of DMB fans playing Daves music, my guess he would choose the ChaosView show. Not because he hates Dave or Daves fans or wouldn't want to make them happy but because it is more important for him to be happy doing what he is doing and right now what makes him happy is the ChaosView music and show. It's not about letting down fans or making fans happy, it is about doing what makes you happy and hopefully while you are doing that, the fans end up happy as well. There is no agenda about making the fans happy. TR wants them to be happy but he does not want to make them happy at the expense of his own happiness. I hope this has cleared it up for you some. I would suggest going back and reading all of my above posts again, as I have reread them to make sure I didn't say anything that would give you the impressions you seemed to have arrived at. Hopefully when you reread them you will understand better what I was trying to say all along. I will be happy to answer any other questions you may have that will help make it clearer for you.

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Well of COURSE what I'm saying is selfish. I want Tim to play with Dave because it makes the dmb music I love even richer and better.

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Well of COURSE what I'm saying is selfish. I want Tim to play with Dave because it makes the dmb music I love even richer and better. The hardcore tim fans selfishly want to keep him for themselves. Tim selfishly wants to do what he's doing now. There's nothing wrong with being selfish, we're all that way.

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"it IS black and white choice. Give fans "what they want" and sell yourself out, or do what you want and be happy. "

I still don't see why this is true...Tim could do what makes him happy and also give some of us OTHER tim fans......what we're dying for as well!

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If someone were offering me a large fortune to play a certain kind of music for a few years... well... I don't know that I could pass up something that would set me up for life like that... that would essentially offer me complete freedom from ever having to do anything

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Unfortunately for that "large sum of money" there are so many strings attached that you would never really have "complete freedom". Being free of the record label offers you the most freedom you can have to create the music that makes YOU happy. The record label might offer you financial freedom, but do you really want to sell your soul and lose your artistic freedom? I think if someone offered him a deal that would allow him to keep his artistic vision intact, TR might be more inclined to take it, but up until now, any offers that have come his way have been discussed with which direction WE(the record company) can take TR's music and TR has thought the record company shouldn't be deciding that for him. That should be left to artist to decide. If the record company was interested in supporting whatever the artist wanted to do artistically, I think TR might be more open to some kind of deal like that. Don't get me wrong, TR thinks about money as all of us have to. He has a family to take care of. I think he is happy making enuf to get by, rather than selling out for financial freedom. Is financial freedom so important at the expense of your happiness? I know I would rather make small amounts and be happy at what I do than make lots and be totally miserable. I have felt this way for as long as I can remember, much to the chegrin of my parents. They wish I would get a good paying job with a great future because they care about me and think that is the way to happiness. As I have found, I would rather be happy at my work and make less. It becomes a balancing act for each person to decide their place. TR's similar outlook is one of the things that drew me to him. I can totally relate to his approach. Please yourself and that happiness will be reflected in the job you do and others will be drawn to it because of it's honesty and sincerity. It is a beautiful thing, I just wish it paid better. HEHE

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You have to remember that those performances are TR playing someone elses music. To come to a TR show and expect what he does with Dave is a popular misconception. I feel future performaces with DMB or Dave would only strengthen that expectation. Whereas, TR's constant solo touring do alot to expose the public at large to TR's music as it's own entity. As I know alot of DMB fans respect TR's ability, it seems to me they only want to see him do what THEY expect from him, not what TR's soul feels at any given TIMe. I work for TR and want to see him succeed as an artist and continue to perform from his soul. If shows come up with DMB or Dave, I am sure the fans will be Xstatic, but I don't think those shows will go along way for promoting TR's solo career. That was all I was trying to say. I hope that clears it up.

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Unfortunately I don't think it would really help Tim's career that much, but at the same time it doesn't seem like it could hurt in the same way that the D&T tours have. However it seems to be just wishful thinking for a fan like me.

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So you see, unless someone plays electric guitar they're probably not going to be interested in seeing someone solo on an electric guitar unless it's a part of a larger whole (i.e. when he's playing with DMB).

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I just need to point out the gross generalization of this statement. I play electric and accoustic and appriciate tims craft imeansly, but if i didnt I couldnt see myself shrugging it off because i cant "relate" to what hes playing. I connect very well to solo piano and i cant play piano for shit. You show me someone on the keys that can rival tims guitar talent and i'll be just as interested. So you see, its not a matter of what you play, its just a matter of what you appreciate. Not to mention, this really came out as a "well, only these types of people will like tims music unless hes playing with DMB, cause thats where hes more important", and that seems way too single minded for my taste.

Fluffy - thanks for the insight, Ive been wodering how Tims solo career would be affected if he toured with dave again. My own personal theories are on the same lines as what you said, that it would pretty much toss him right back into the stereotypical catagory of only being daves sidekick. I kind of think of it like David Byrne, ex Talking Heads singer. Hes worked really hard on his solo efforts, whch happen to be amazing, but hes always asked about the talking heads. I think that the final reunion he did with them for the R&R induction may have caused more people to talk about it, thus causing his solo status to atrophy slightly. I would hate to see that happen with tim. The only way i would see it happening is if after a D+T tour, tim goes off and does like a solo chello and drum machine tour and just weirds the fuck out of people

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I do hear what you're saying, and I acknowledge that this is indeed true of DMB fans, but I can't say that I don't understand where they're coming from. Now, Tim may never have been an 'official' member of DMB, but he appeared on most of the albums and has toured with them numerous times. If Leroi went off and toured on his own and started making solo albums would I take an interest? Probably not. Why? Because I don't play sax and I'm not too interested in solo sax material. The same goes for Carter, Boyd, or any single member of the band. The only reason I take a personal interest in what Tim does outside of DMB is because I myself play guitar and can really appreciate the level that he is at. If I didn't play guitar, though, I seriously doubt I would have any interest in seeing him play.

I actually don't play any electric guitar, which makes me far more interested in all of Tim's acoustic efforts, like stream and nomadic wavelength, as opposed to his hard electric stuff. So you see, unless someone plays electric guitar they're probably not going to be interested in seeing someone solo on an electric guitar unless it's a part of a larger whole (i.e. when he's playing with DMB).

So anyway...all I really wanted to say I guess was that any true dave fan loves tim probably more than tim himself knows. I understand and respect his desire to pursue his own musical path, but I would also beg him not to abandon his role in the band...because even though it's never been an 'official' role, it has been an immensely important one to myself and many other fans.

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But...the problem woudl be, would Tim open for Dave, or would Dave open for Tim. If Tim opens for Dave, Tim gets booed and gets "Where's Dave" throughout the whole set. if Tim goes on after Dave, everyone has left after Dave's gone. Even if they both played a shorter set solo, and then D&T played together, you'd still have people leaving and booing and just being impatient during Tim's set.

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I actually don't play any electric guitar, which makes me far more interested in all of Tim's acoustic efforts, like stream and nomadic wavelength, as opposed to his hard electric stuff. So you see, unless someone plays electric guitar they're probably not going to be interested in seeing someone solo on an electric guitar unless it's a part of a larger whole (i.e. when he's playing with DMB).

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I understand what you're saying and how Tim feels...but you make it sound like when dave fans see tim with dave they aren't seeing the real tim, and they don't appreciate him for the artist that he is. Now, I certainly can't speak for all Dave fans, but when I see Tim at a show he just adds SO much to the experience I can't even describe it, and every show I saw this year I kept hoping that Tim would walk out onstage and just go nuts. His guitar playing and improvisational skill is undeniable, and anyone that sees him recognizes that talent. In my opinion, it's the combination of Tim's tremendous musical talent and Dave's songwriting talent that really makes their collaboration such a match made in heaven. (not to ignore the other DMB band members of course, they each contribute to the magic) Without Timmy, it just feels like there's something missing in my mind.

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Unfortunately, I feel I have to disagree. After hearing the comments of fans and people at TR shows, it has been a long, slow road bringing TR into his own and escaping the people who expect HIS music to be somewhat reminiscent of DMB's or worse yet that he might actually play some DMB songs at his shows. I personally think that if TR did another tour with DM it would be like starting from scratch for him. Well maybe not scratch but starting further back than we are now. Yes he would probably make a few new TR fans, but he would start to attract DMB fans expecting his solo stuff to be like what they are familiar with when he plays with DM. Which would be a setback for us. We are trying to create a audience for TR as a solo artist. We obviously appreciate the attention that TR has incurred from his association with Dave, BUT sometimes it seems detrimental to his solo career. TR would much rather play for a smaller crowd that has come to see him and his music than play for a crowd of 500 where 1/2 or more of that crowd leave bummed he didn't play enuf acoustic or because it didn't sound anything like DM. The thing to remember is that TR has ALWAYS been a artist unto himself. Dave did not discover him. He has always been a involved in projects both prior to, during and after his diversions with DM. Imagine if you will Jimmy Page was a semi unknown amazing guitarist and suddenly recorded an album with John Mayer or Howie Day and it suddenly brought Jimmy alot of attention and then he tried to continue with his solo career with his unknown band Led Zep. The JM fans or HD fans would probably not be real receptive to the the sound of JP's other project. So many people want people to sound the way they want them to sound and don't want to let artists do what is in their heart. They want to hear what THEY want to hear the artist play and not what moves or inspires the artist. It is a tough position to be in. As TR appreciates the opportunities that playing with DMB has afforded him, it has been detrimental to his solo career which is really where his heart lies as with almost any artist. SELF EXPRESSION. He just wants to go out and play the music he writes and creates and be appreciated for that. TR has always been an ELECTRIC artist for almost his entire life. Somehow thru the affiliation with DMB he was pidgeonholed as an acoustic musician, so when he returned to his solo career after much public exposure with DM as an acoustic artist it was an uphill road reestablishing himself as TIM REYNOLDS. He undertook this immediately after finishing a D&T tour and the super high exposure Storytellers. He stepped out on his own with a reformed TR3 Electric Trio and shocked folks who came to HIS shows expecting what they had seen on Storytellers or the D&T tours. They had no idea that TR had had a career prior to his appearances with DMB. As he tried to step back into his own music the audiences came expecting what they knew him for, his predominately acoustic performances with Dave. We spent many years trying to escape the DMB label that was constantly hoisted on TR and his music. Not because he hated Dave or his music, but because he felt bad that people were coming to his shows, spending their hard earned cash and leaving feeling like they had been cheated. He has never wanted to mislead anyone or even try to cash in on his fame thru DMB. WE realize advertising sometimes pushes the DM affiliation much more than we like. As far as TR is concerned, he would prefer people never mention the affiliation because we feel it attracts the wrong crowd for TR. He would rather build his own following on his own. We know and appreciate the opportunities that his affiliation with Dave have afforded him but at the same TIMe everyone need to understand how hard it has made it for him to find his own audience for his music. I see TR's audience as guitar fans. Fans like you would find listening to Steve Vai, Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix, etc etc etc. Unfortunately those folks probably won't give TR a chance because all they know about him is he is the guitar player for DMB and most guitar afficionados probably don't see the DMB band in the same light as say Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Cream etc etc etc. So as you can see the affiliation with Dave, as good as it has been for TR, has also been detrimental to his solo career. It is a very awkward position to be in. I would love to see TR tour again with Dave if that is what TR wants to do, but I personally think it would set him back in his solo career. Yes it would attract new fans but then we would have to go through the whole "weeding out" process AGAIN by exposing the new fans gained and finding the true TR fans who are really fans of his guitar playing and not just his work with DMB. I am not sure the amount of fans we would gain thru another tour with Dave is worth the years of getting TR back to where he is now. The road TR is traveling at present, has him well on his way to establishing himself as Tim Reynolds. If we continue as we are now, I see TR with larger audiences who know TR as the great guitar player he is and less as Daves sideman. WE have worked long and hard to bring TR to a place where he can tour and attract large enuf crowds to make it financially worth it. Hell, it would be easy to go out and sell TR as the DMB guitar player and sell lots and lots of tickets, but the problem becomes that people come expecting one thing and are let down when their expectations aren't met. TR would rather sell himself as TR and have a smaller devoted crowd who is there to see what HE does. TR does not want to mislead people just to sell tickets. It really bothers him when venues advertise HIS shows in such a way that it attracts the wrong folks. He truly feels bad for the folks drawn to a show with false expectations. For a while on the Electric Trio tour, it was even in the contracts for those shows that no mention of Dave Matthews or DMB was allowed in advertising for TR shows. Much to our dismay, may venues ignored the contract and it's stipulations and advertised incorrectly and then complained that so many people walked out. Well what do you expect when advertise it to a DMB crowd and the artist is rocking out with his hard rocking originals and covers like Ministry, Prodigy and T. Rex. Fans feel they have been mislead and leave pissed off like we lured them there under false pretenses. We never wanted that to happen and tried very hard to sell TR as his own artist and really tried to play down the whole DMB affiliation, not because he wasn't proud of it, but because we knew it would attract a crowd that would have no real interest in what TR was doing as a solo artist. We working to build a following for TR by selling TR as TR, not by using the affiliation with DMB to get more fans in the door. That is not our goal. That is only good business in the short run. You may fill the club once but they won't be back the next TIMe. Our goal is to build a loyal fan base of TR fans based on TR and his music. I hope all this makes sense, if anyone is still unclear on any particular points, I would be happy to try and clarify it. Just ask. There is no bad blood toward DM or DMB, just a desire to be an artist with his own fans who appreciate him for HIS music. To my understanding from TR, even Dave understands this. According to TR, Dave has never showed up at a TR show. TR assumes Dave has enuf respect for TR and his solo career that he would not show up at a TR show because he knows it would take the spotlight away from TR. It would cease to be a TR show if Dave showed up. Dave has no desire to hurt his friends solo career or aspirations. He does not resent DMB fans in anyway, he just wishes they could accept him for what he does on his own and if not he doesn't sweat it. He knows not everyone will like what he does on his own. He is not trying to become a superstar. He just wants to make HIS music and hopes someone out there likes what he does and wants to listen to him make music. TR is a man who will never sell out to sell records or concert tickets. He will always make the music he wants to make and just hopes it finds and audience. If it does great, if it doesn't, he will keep making the music he wants for the pure enjoyment he gets out of making music. He makes music for himself and just hopes others will like it as well. I am rambling again, and I never meant for this to go so long. Teri will complain that there are no paragraphs, but whatever, I just felt like this needed to be out there so maybe everyone could understand the position TR is in just a little bit better.

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I'm kind of hoping that there will not be another T&D tour. I mean, it could just be that I'm not into DMB's music anymore, but it's more the fact that Tim has become Dave's sidekick at those shows and that Tim gets no respect, and that lack of respect overflows to Tim's solo shows with people booing because Tim is NOT Dave, or that Dave is not there. Like the show I went to, where the girl said "I'm just waiting for him to play Crash". That crowd sucked. It was all college frat boys and sorority sisters (the worst of the DMB fanbase) that wanted to hear Tim play, sing, act and look like Dave.


Besides that I was at a T&D show where 75 to 80% of the crowd left during Tim's solos. Rude. And I've heard way too many instances with people booing and yelling "Where's Dave?" during Tim's songs.

So I'm in the Anti-T&D Tour camp I guess.

Adam

Everybody's talkin' at me, I can't hear a word they're sayin'...Just driving 'round in Jon Voight's car...

Email: Guitar_Boy1@yahoo.com

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We will just have to wait and see.

ONLY THE SHADOW KNOWS(read: Dave)

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