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| Zack |
Posted - 09/10/2007 : 1:18:40 PM
Hey guys, just got D and T live @ radio city...that version of betrayal is sick! Can someone refresh me as to whether the boss dd5 has a stock rate knob to slow and quicken the rate, like with the beginning swells Tim does in betrayal? Im lookin on ebay to buy one if they do! |
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| GuitarGuy305 |
Posted - 12/02/2007 : 10:56:31 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Boss-DD-5-digital-delay_W0QQitemZ230196448725QQihZ013QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/BOSS-DD-5-Digital-Delay-Pedal-in-Box-XLNT-DD5-NR_W0QQitemZ150189141161QQihZ005QQcategoryZ64417QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Boss-DD5-digital-delay-dotted-eigth-delay_W0QQitemZ200180110718QQihZ010QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/BOSS-DD-5-Digital-Delay-EFFECTS-PEDEL-stereo-guitar-NM_W0QQitemZ180187250884QQihZ008QQcategoryZ41419QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I would just look above. All 4 DD-5s from Ebay. The first one looks like it was at ground zero on 9/11 and the last one has some stupid decal near the AC jack, but all claim to be in good condition.
Another thing I found interesting was this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/BOSS-Digital-Delay_W0QQitemZ320189798569QQihZ011QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
A Boss DD-2. These are pretty rare and I've seen them go for $150-200. This is $10...something is fishy. |
| gnome44 |
Posted - 12/02/2007 : 09:43:08 AM
I just checked it out and it says that the pedal that you linked to has been replaced by the Electro Harmonix 2880.
http://www.ehx.com/ehx2/Default.asp?q=f&f=%2FCatalog%2F01%5FNew%5FProducts%2F09%5F2880
They the cost upwards of $500. Yowzy!
It looks pretty nice though. But I think it's a bit more than I'd like to spend for a couple of low/high sounds. Maybe I could just growl into the microphone and pretend it my guitar making the noise. Most drunk people wouldn't know the difference (just goes to show how bad my guitar playing is...). |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 12/02/2007 : 12:24:59 AM
I have found a delay pedal that will let you change the pitch up and down without interfering with what you loop. It's the Electro Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay:
http://www.ehx.com/ehx2/Default.asp?q=f&f=%2FCatalog%2F09%5FReverb%5F%26%5FDelay%2F02%5F16%5FSecond%5FDelay
I have a DVD with a guitarist that plays with Sheryl Crow that demos many Electro Harmonix effects (including my beloved POG and Holy Grail). He demos this one, and even shows and tells you how to slow it down and speed it up to add really low and high sounds like Tim does with the DD-5. It's pretty damn good! It does what the DD-5 does and more. Check it out if you want something other than a used DD-5 off of ebay. |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 11/20/2007 : 11:05:29 PM
Well, if I owned a DD-5 and it craped out, I wouldn't buy a new one. I would just go downstairs, hand it to my dad, and in 2 days it will be fixed. So, when someone's DD-5 craps out, I'd be happy to take it  . |
| GuitarGuy305 |
Posted - 11/19/2007 : 6:03:36 PM
Man, all this talk is making me want to score another DD-5 off of Ebay for when mine eventually craps out. |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 11/17/2007 : 11:46:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by gnome44
. . . I checked with the DD-6 and it pretty much pukes out craziness if you try to change the rate...just like the DD-20.
Yeah, and it's a bitch to try and do it with an Echo Park, takes you about 2 minutes to do it, and it still doesn't sound perfect.
I just saw a small duo last night and they had a DD-5. I tried to buy it from him, but he wouldn't part with it, lol. |
| gnome44 |
Posted - 11/17/2007 : 6:24:35 PM
The DD-3 CAN change rates without creating the crazy sounding digital artifacts. I was playing around with one today at a music store.
The only thing with the DD-3 is that it has no reverse.
But you can set up some sounds and then slow them way down to get the rumbling sound.
I checked with the DD-6 and it pretty much pukes out craziness if you try to change the rate...just like the DD-20. |
| gnome44 |
Posted - 11/06/2007 : 08:36:33 AM
No. I have the DD-20. If you try to change the rate of the delay quickly you'll get all kinds of weird digital artifacts and burps and skips... |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 11/05/2007 : 10:54:43 PM
quote:
Originally posted by gnome44
Will the DD-3 work like the DD-5? Or will it not-work like the DD-6?
Neither will work the way the DD-5 does. It work just like mine, and you will get the "cartoon sounds" I already talked about with my Echo Park.
Now, I was wondering, would this work?
http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=1&tmp=121 |
| gnome44 |
Posted - 11/05/2007 : 10:38:56 AM
Will the DD-3 work like the DD-5? Or will it not-work like the DD-6? |
| gnome44 |
Posted - 11/02/2007 : 9:22:11 PM
Except for the nauseating price! |
| Kevin |
Posted - 11/02/2007 : 8:27:40 PM
2.9 seconds of delay time?? Boss's are double that. Other than that, those pedals looks dank :D |
| gnome44 |
Posted - 11/02/2007 : 2:35:51 PM
I guess this is what Marcus was talking about...
http://www.fishman.com/products/afx_pedals.asp
Has anyone here use these yet?
They sure look pretty! |
| GuitarGuy305 |
Posted - 09/16/2007 : 10:43:08 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Fluffy
Marcus, myself and TR were talking about the DD-5 tonite and Marcus informed us that Fishman has something coming out that he thinks can be used in a very similar fashion to the DD-5. He definately picqued TR's interest. When I find out more about it and/or the name I will post. I am not sure it's commercially available yet as Marcus said something about it still being worked on to have the bugs worked out.
Ah...that Marcus always has the inside dirt on what Fishman is working on... |
| Fluffy |
Posted - 09/16/2007 : 03:40:22 AM
Marcus, myself and TR were talking about the DD-5 tonite and Marcus informed us that Fishman has something coming out that he thinks can be used in a very similar fashion to the DD-5. He definately picqued TR's interest. When I find out more about it and/or the name I will post. I am not sure it's commercially available yet as Marcus said something about it still being worked on to have the bugs worked out. |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 09/16/2007 : 02:07:34 AM
well, no luck with the Echo Park. Tried my analog setting, reverse settings, tape settings, can't do it the same. Again, if you were to do it, you could, but like I said, it takes forever because you have to turn the nob so slowly so you don't get those, I guess, "cartooney" sounds. I still love it, but it would be nice if I could do what Tim does on the DD-5. |
| JTR |
Posted - 09/15/2007 : 01:21:33 AM
I don't particularly enjoy the DD6 I bought, for many of the reasons listed above. In particular, I don't like that with the feedback all the way up, the sounds don't cancel out somewhat like on the DD5. With the feedback turned all the way up on the DD5, the sounds somewhat decay and don't become overpoweringly loud; on the DD6, the feedback at max is probably more true to what it is supposed to do, but the sounds don't fade with the addition of more and more layers and results can get so loud I have to stop the whole thing short of where I'd like. Oh well. |
| gnome44 |
Posted - 09/14/2007 : 1:24:55 PM
Digital is cheaper, cheaper, and cheaper.
It's all about $$$. |
| Zack |
Posted - 09/14/2007 : 1:22:02 PM
Boss should just update to a dd-7 (or a dd-348, just being creative) with an analog switch and corrected reverse like the dd5. Why rob the world of rate-changing madness! Why!!!!!!!!!! (damn it)!!!!!
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| Fluffy |
Posted - 09/14/2007 : 03:39:06 AM
quote:
Originally posted by GuitarGuy305
Ah, understood. Wow, I'm glad I know that now. If my DD-5 ever bites it, I'll make sure I get another one off of Ebay instead of "upgrading" to a DD-6.
Which is exactly what I had to do for TR when his crapped out at the State Theatre in Virginia. Luckily Matt Winn was there opening the show and he had an extra one onboard that he loaned TR until the new one that I found on ebay and had overnited to the next hotel arrived. You can read that fun story in the following thread:
http://www.timreynolds.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7367
Anyway, they don't make the DD-5 anymore and TR is not wanting to upgrade. Apparently the DD-6 does not function the same way as the DD-5. Hence the needing to find one on ebay. Not just a quick trip to the guitar shop. LOL So TR is still using a DD-5 just like always and probably will until I can't find any more on ebay. LOL |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 09/14/2007 : 02:21:47 AM
Hmmm, reverse eh? Well, I am going to try my Echo Park, and see if I can do it in reverse on the analog setting. Hmmm, never really thought of the analog switch for something like this. I'll see what I can get. |
| Kevin |
Posted - 09/14/2007 : 01:14:08 AM
The DD-6 can't do any of the slowing and speeding up of the delay like the DD-5 can. And I've never seen Tim use a DD-6; he only had a DD-5 at the solo show tonight.
I have both, but the DD-5 is superior if you ask me. The DD-6 has a great loop function (for a delay pedal), though. |
| Zack |
Posted - 09/13/2007 : 08:12:32 AM
And thanks for comin in period and helpind me out! Thanks to all! |
| Zack |
Posted - 09/13/2007 : 08:10:04 AM
Finally...i tried all different combo's with the dd6. I happened to see that mod on the analogman site and it changed my life forever lol. I will bid, oh yes, i will win a dd5. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 10:43:23 PM
Pretty much. |
| gnome44 |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 10:04:02 PM
Analog rules. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 6:59:13 PM
Obviously coming in late here, but you just need the volume pedal and the DD-5. Adjusting delay time on any other pedal is gonna you wacky cartoon noises, the DD-5's the only one where you can accel. or decel. the delay without fucking it all up. |
| GuitarGuy305 |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 1:30:40 PM
Ah, understood. Wow, I'm glad I know that now. If my DD-5 ever bites it, I'll make sure I get another one off of Ebay instead of "upgrading" to a DD-6. |
| Zack |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 1:17:12 PM
I dont remember hearing the original sound on the dd6. Its silent and only plays back the sound in reverse. Thats the different between dd5-6. I remember Tim's roadie tellin me that the dd5 was special in creating the rate change, and that article stated that the dd5 allows the original sound to come through, while the dd6 doesn't. Thats the secret! Tim uses a dd6, but not for the rate changes and such. dd5 allows the original sound + reverse, dd6 only allows reverse (and thats supposed to be an improvement!!!) |
| GuitarGuy305 |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 1:00:01 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Zack
Wait, just read this while looking at a mod from analogman...
Kill Switch - DD5 reverse mod
In January 2001 I finished a Boss DD-5 reverse mod for Kate Ebneter, it it came out great! I got the idea from Jeorge Tripps from Way Huge, he's was working for Line-6 and now Dunlop. He did a similar mod to a pedal that was put on the Tone Frenzy page. The idea is that the REVERSE mode sounds cool, but the dry (normal) signal ruins it, you can still hear the normal sound in reverse mode on the stock DD-5. I added a KILL SWITCH (seen at the top left on the pedal) to kill the dry signal, so only the reverse delays come out and it really sounds cool!
So the dd-6 is different...u only get the reverse delay, not the original sound. Which means i think i need a dd-5
I think the DD-6 was what Tim was using now, and I think that the DD-6 let the original signal through too. You hear it once, then the backwards delay takes it and reverses it. I haven't used a DD-6, but if that's what Tim uses, you should be okay with that.
Whichever Tim uses, it definitely lets the original signal through, because you hear the knocking or whatever as he's doing it, then you hear it looped in reverse. Again, I'm not sure if what Tim used on RCMH was a DD-5 or DD-6.
That article is talking about a modification done to a DD-5 pedal...which is completely over my head. |
| Zack |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 12:45:25 PM
Wait, just read this while looking at a mod from analogman...
Kill Switch - DD5 reverse mod
In January 2001 I finished a Boss DD-5 reverse mod for Kate Ebneter, it it came out great! I got the idea from Jeorge Tripps from Way Huge, he's was working for Line-6 and now Dunlop. He did a similar mod to a pedal that was put on the Tone Frenzy page. The idea is that the REVERSE mode sounds cool, but the dry (normal) signal ruins it, you can still hear the normal sound in reverse mode on the stock DD-5. I added a KILL SWITCH (seen at the top left on the pedal) to kill the dry signal, so only the reverse delays come out and it really sounds cool!
So the dd-6 is different...u only get the reverse delay, not the original sound. Which means i think i need a dd-5
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| Zack |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 12:25:46 PM
Sweet im going to try after work man...of all the possibilities i never tried the reverse mode. If it doesnt work, dd5 on ebay! |
| GuitarGuy305 |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 11:59:03 AM
Yeah, you should be able to do it with just the dd-6.
I know that Tim does use two delay pedals now at his solo shows for various effects/techniques, but I think he may have just used a single one when playing with Dave. At any rate, this effect can be done with a single pedal. |
| gnome44 |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 11:25:02 AM
That's too little too late, zack!
Since GuitarGuy has the pedal...and obviously knows what he's doing...I'll let him answer your question.
I'm going to cry in the corner now...  |
| Zack |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 11:16:46 AM
gnome ur the shit too...he just had the sound clip lol. So i can do the same with the dd6 alone then right? Just put it in reverse mode, swell into it, and turn the d-time knob to speed the rate up and down? |
| gnome44 |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 11:02:03 AM
No...not a problem at all. I mean, come on, you had an mp3 to support your method.
I just want some effing credit around here!!! |
| GuitarGuy305 |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 10:58:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by gnome44
Not to be too self-centered (I am, of course), but isn't that pretty much what I said? 
I think so  In my last post I was just answering Zack's question though. Didn't mean to just reiterate what you said. |
| gnome44 |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 10:18:47 AM
Not to be too self-centered (I am, of course), but isn't that pretty much what I said? |
| GuitarGuy305 |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 09:47:24 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Zack
Guitar guy you are the shit... thats the sound! Are you feeding swells into the dd6 then into dd-5 (slowing down the reverse), or are u getting that sound with a dd5 alone?
I just used the DD-5 alone. And a volume pedal of course for the swells.
On the CD he starts with the delay time all the way to max then turns it up and down a bit (as I did in my recording) then winds up turning it all the way up. Then he does the low D swell, the higher D swell (3rd fret, B string), and the knocking stuff and turns the knob all the way to max, lowering the pitch an octave and slowing it down to the 2.5 seconds or whatever the max delay of the DD-6 is. |
| Zack |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 08:00:00 AM
Guitar guy you are the shit... thats the sound! Are you feeding swells into the dd6 then into dd-5 (slowing down the reverse), or are u getting that sound with a dd5 alone?
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| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 03:12:32 AM
I tried, and I could do it with my Echo Park, but you have to do it slowly. It still isn't perfect, gets a nasty feeling because it isn't as even, but you can do it. Why you have to do it slowly is because it will change it in real time. You can then get a speeding up sound or a slowing down sound (which can be pretty kewl, if you do it right, like and alien ship taking off!). It is easy if you just do a slap delay on it (but that then cuts your time quite seriously if you choose slap). With the slap, I could get a good sound tweaking it to sound like a car's engine, and get some really kewl noises of it revving up, and hitting top speed.
And I can go on and on like that for quite sometime, but noticed it is pointless, so I will end saying "that's my mama" *nasal laughter* |
| GuitarGuy305 |
Posted - 09/11/2007 : 7:46:44 PM
I did a quick recording of myself messing with the reverse mode on the DD-5. It's a complete mockery of what Tim does before Betrayal, but it gets the point across. Is this the sound you're talking about?
http://guitarguy305.googlepages.com/DD5.mp3 |
| GuitarGuy305 |
Posted - 09/11/2007 : 6:04:11 PM
If you're talking about the part where he does some like knocking shit on the guitar and then turns the rate knob to make it sound lower and slower, that's the backwards mode, and he's turning the knob from all the way Min to all the way Max. It slows the delay down and also makes it sound an octave lower. |
| gnome44 |
Posted - 09/11/2007 : 3:36:28 PM
Actually, now that you say that...I think you're right.
The DD-20 is all digital, and changing the D.TIME creates odd sound artifacts...but it does work...sort of... And I vaguely remember something about the DD-5 not doing that.
Of course, I haven't been right about anything yet...so I doubt I'm right now. |
| Zack |
Posted - 09/11/2007 : 3:21:57 PM
Doesnt work... u just get a warped, warbally sound of the delay adjusting. So dd6 alone won't change the actual rate of the feedback, but what im wondering is if two dd6's will work instead of the dd6-dd5 combo. Im gonna try everything possible all over again with the dd-6's paired up and see what happens, but from what i remember it doesnt work. I think the d-time knob is different on the dd5...it might allow a rate adjusting affect instead of slurred delay when u turn it. |
| gnome44 |
Posted - 09/11/2007 : 1:08:45 PM
I've never used a DD-5 or a DD-6 (I have a DD-20 though). But I think the beginning of Betrayal can be done with just one pedal.
But can't you just adjust the "D.TIME" knob to change the rate? I haven't tried it yet...but I'm pretty sure I can get the beginning of Betrayal with my DD-20.
First, set the D.TIME so that you get the delay around 0.5 seconds (you'll also need to set the F.BACK pretty high to get the swells to repeat). Then, using a volume pedal...create the crazy swells and let them build. Then, just crank the D.TIME up the whole way (if you're in the 2600ms mode, this will change the delay from 0.5 to 2.6) and get the really low, slowed-down whoo-whoo-whoo sounds...and crank it back down to 0 seconds to get the really fast sounds.
Right? |
| Zack |
Posted - 09/11/2007 : 12:50:55 PM
Sweet, i thought he fed them into eachother (i remember seeing that old thread). I tried it with two dd6's awhile ago, but i couldnt get it to work (changing the rate of the feedback that is). I remember a member of his set-up staff telling me the dd5 has a rate knob, or it works different than the dd6 with the d-time knob...so my question is i guess does it have to be a dd-5/dd-6 combo for that rate change? |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 09/11/2007 : 02:25:47 AM
Actually, to get those loops he has, you can't just use a DD-5 or a DD-6 (or an Echo Park Delay like mine) you have to have 2 to control the speed and such like Tim does. He feeds one into the other, from what I remember. It's been talked about a lot in the tablature/guitar setup forum. |
| GuitarGuy305 |
Posted - 09/10/2007 : 6:50:56 PM
I should mention also that you can set the tempo by tapping your foot to the beat of music as well. That is the "Tap Tempo" feature of the DD-6. With the DD-5, this is only possible with the FS-5U Footswitch plugged into the "tap tempo" input of the pedal. |
| GuitarGuy305 |
Posted - 09/10/2007 : 2:27:08 PM
I hope this answers your question. The DD-5 and DD-6 (which I believe Tim actually uses now) has a Delay Time knob that will adjust the rate of the delay. There are multiple settings. Below is a picture of the DD-6. The different Modes (80ms, 300ms, 800ms, and 2600ms) affect the Delay Time knob's min and max delay, with the max delay being the XXms label from the Mode knob. The Feedback knob affects how many repeats you hear, and turning it to MAX makes the delay infinite where it doesn't bleed off.
Let me know if you have any other questions or if I'm no where close to answering what you actually asked!
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