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Silky The Pimp Posted - 04/04/2002 : 12:39:54 AM
Here are some more accurate versions of the tabs that are on the site. Just copy/paste into notepad for everything to line up. Jon if you ever get around to it, you might as well replace the old/less accurate ones in the tablature section so that people that don't come to the message board can still have the most accurate stuff.
-J


Letting Go
by Tim Reynolds
Tabbed By Jeff Abeles

Drop D tuning.


Sample for looping.
|----0--0--0------|
|-----6--6--6-----|
|------7--7--7----|
|-----------------|
|-----------------|
|-----------------|

Part A:
|------------------------------------------------------------|
|-----------------------------------------------------------:|
|----2-3-5--3h5p3p2-3-----2h3p2p0-2-----0-2------------------|
|----0-0-0--0-------0--0--0-------0-----0-0------------------|
|------------------------------------0----------------------:|
|--0-----------------------------------------3p0-------------|


|------------------------------------------------------------|
|----3-3-3--3-------3-----3-------3-----3-3-----------------:|
|----2-3-5--3h5p3p2-3-----2h3p2p0-2-----0-2------------------|
|----0-0-0--0-------0--0--0-------0-----0-0------------------|
|------------------------------------0----------------------:|
|--0-----------------------------------------3p0-------------|

Part B:
|------------------------------------------------------------|
|------------------------------------------------------------|
|---2-3-5s12s10---10-10---10---10s5--------------------------|
|---0-0-0-------0-------0----0-0--0--------------------------|
|------------------------------------------------------------|
|-------0----------------------------------------------------|


|------------------------------------------------------------|
|------------------------------------------------------------|
|--5s2-3-5s12s10---10-10---5---3-----------------------------|
|----0-0-0-------0-------0-5---3---0-------------------------|
|------------------------------------------------------------|
|--0-----0-------------------0------3h5-0--------------------|


|-----------------6------8----------5-6-8--------------------|
|----------6-6-6-----8---------------------------------------|
|---2-3-5--5-5----7------9-----------------------------------|
|---0-0-0------8-----10------7-8-10--------------------------|
|------------------------------------------------------------|
|----------0-------------------------------------------------|

Part C:
|----------------------------0---------------------------0---|
|--------------------------3---------------------------3----:|
|------2-----2-----2-----2---------2-----2-----2-----2-------|
|----5-----5-----5-----5---------5-----5-----5-----5---------|
|-----------------------------------------------------------:|
|--3-----3-----3-----3---------0-----0-----0-----0-----------|


|--------------1-3-5---5-5---3-------------1-3-6-5-1s3-------|
|------------3-1-3-5---5-5---3-----3-----3-1-3-6-5-1s3-------|
|------2-----2---------------------2-----2-------------------|
|----0-----0-------------------------------------------------|
|------------------------------------------------------------|
|--3-----3-----------3-----3---0-0---0-0-0------0------------|




Valley Of Flowers/Flourescence
By Tim Reynolds
Tabbed by Jeff Abeles


Drop D Tuning


Part A:
|----------0-----0-----0-----0-------------------0-----0-----0--------------|
|--------8-----8-----8-----8-------------------8-----8-----8----------------|
|------5-----4-------------------------------5-----4------------------------|
|------------------5-----4-------------------------------4-----0------------|
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|--0----------------------------4--5--7--0----------------------------------|


|---------0-----0-----0-----0--------------------0-----0-----0--------------|
|-------6-----6-----6-----6--------------------6-----6-----6---------------:|
|-----3-----2--------------------------------3-----2------------------------|
|-----------------3-----5--------------------------------3-----0------------|
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------:|
|---0---------------------------3--5--7--0----------------------------------|

Part B:
|---------2--2--3p2p0------0--------------3-----3--2-2-5p3p2p0-3p2p0--------|
|---------3--3--------3---3---3---------3---3---3--3-3--------------3-------|
|---------2--2----------3-------------3---------3--2-2----------------------|
|-------0---------------------------5---------------------------------------|
|-----0---------------------------------------------------------------------|
|--0-------0--------------------5-------------5-----------------------------|


|-----------2--2--3p2p0------0--------------3-----3-3s5-5--5s3-3------------|
|-----------3--3--------3---3---3---------3---3-----3s5-5--5s3-3------------|
|-------2---2--2----------3-------------3-------3---3s5-5--5s3-3------------|
|----0--0-----------------------------5-------------------------------------|
|----0--0-------------------------------------------------------------------|
|--0---------0---------------------5----------------------------------------|


|-----------2--2--3p2p0------0--------------3------3--2-2----------0h2h3h5--|
|-----------3--3--------3---3---3---------3---3----3--3-3---0h2h3s5---------|
|-------2---2--2----------3-------------3-------3--3--2-2-------------------|
|----0--0-----------------------------5-------------------------------------|
|----0--0-------------------------------------------------------------------|
|--0---------0---------------------5----------------------------------------|


|-----------2--2--3p2p0------0--------------3---------6-------------10-------15--10h12-|
|-----------3--3--------3---3---3---------3---------8---8--------11-------11-----11----|
|--------2--2--2----------3-------------3-----3-4s7-------7-8s12-------12--------------|
|----0---0----------------------------5------------------------------------------------|
|----0---0-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|--0---0-----0---------------------5---------------------------------------------------|

Part C:
|----|----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|----|:--3h5-5---3h5-5--------------------3h5-5---3h5-5--------------------:|
|----|---4h5-5---4h5-5------5--4--2-------4h5-5---4h5-5-------5--4--7-------|
|--x-|----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|--x-|:--------------------3--2--0--------------------------3--2-s5--------:|
|--x-|---------0-------0------------3bp0--------0--------0-------------0----|


|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|--0--1s3-3----------------------0--1--3--5--------------------------------:|
|--0--2s4-4----------------------0--2--4--5---------------------------------|
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|-------------------0--2--2---------------------0--3--5--7-----------------:|
|-----------0-0--5-----------0-x-------------0-------------7-0--------------|

Part D:
|----------0-----3---0--------0--------------1-----3---1--------------------|
|--------1---1-----------1------1----------1---1---------1------------------|
|------0-------0---0---0---0-------------2-------2---2----------------------|
|----2---------------------------------3------------------------------------|
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|--2------------------------------2--3--------------------------------------|


|------0-----0-----3---0--------0--------------1-----3---1-----3p1----------|
|----------1---1-----------1------1----------1---1---------1----------------|
|--------0-------0---0---0---0-------------2-------2---2--------------------|
|----------------------------------------3----------------------------------|
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|--0-2------------------------------2--3------------------------------------|


|------------0-----3---0--------0--------------1-----3s5--3--1--------------|
|----------1---1-----------1------1----------1---1-----------1--------------|
|--------0-------0---0---0---0-------------2-------2---------2--------------|
|------2---------------------------------3----------------------------------|
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|--0-2------------------------------2--3------------------------------------|

Part E:
|-----------2--2--3p2p0-------0---------------------------------------------|
|-----------3--3--------3---3-----------------------------------------------|
|-------2---2--2----------3--------Part A-----------------------------------|
|----0--0-------------------------------------------------------------------|
|----0--0-------------------------------------------------------------------|
|--0---------0--------------------------------------------------------------|

End:
|----------2--2--3p2p0------0-------3------3-----3--2-2-5p3p2p0-3p2p0----2--|
|----------3--3--------3---3---3---------3---3---3--3-3---------------3--3--|
|-------2--2--2----------3-------------3---------3--2-2------------------2--|
|----0--0----------------------------------------------------------------0--|
|----0--0----------------------------------------------------------------0--|
|--0--------0--------------------5-------------5-------------------------0--|



Other way that Tim plays the second piece of part B in the rest of the song:
|-----------2--2--3p2p0------0-------3------3-----3-3s5--5h6h8p6p5h6p5------|
|-----------3--3--------3---3---3---------3---3-----3s5---------------8-7---|
|-------2---2--2----------3-------------3-------3---3s5---------------------|
|----0--0-------------------------------------------------------------------|
|----0--0-------------------------------------------------------------------|
|--0---------0---------------------5----------------------------------------|

The progression of the song is:
Part A
Part B
Part C
Part B
Part D
Part E
Part B
Part C
End








33   L A T E S T    R E P L I E S    (Newest First)
Silky The Pimp Posted - 04/24/2002 : 3:04:53 PM
Jason I will try and work up a little practice plan for you some time this week. Sorry, exams have been kicking my ass and sucking away all my time, otherwise I'd do it today.
-J

rubylith Posted - 04/24/2002 : 11:37:28 AM
thats cool.

I think writing and creativity is the most important thing in life itself. how long have you been playing? I have been playing for almost 8 years now i think, no no wait, 7 years cuz im 18 now. whatever, lol anyway...ive been writing since I started, I have so many songs, a handful have been written for other artists since I have the same problem, I CANT SING:(, all well maybe one day. My composition library has got pretty large now, especially including the unfinished works. Im just copyrighting them and sending out demos and stuff, who kows what will happen... I used to be in a band called Futureboy
http://www.futureboyhq.com
and we played a bunch of shows in NY and stuff, now im concentrating on my solo stuff and just writing...im moving to los angeles in august or september so hopefully something will happen out there...

well i already forgot what i was talking about and im just giving you my life story
lol
sorry
you might be better off watching full house
hehe

-Dave
enthuTIMsiast Posted - 04/24/2002 : 08:45:13 AM
Is that what you would consider "practice" or are you just playing around? I can't seem to find what to practice for that long, then I just get bored or frustrated and stop after about 45 minutes.

Which reminds me...Silky you once mentioned sending some practicing tips my way...you still up to do that? I'd really really like to be a better player, but everything I seem to practice doesn't really lead me in that direction.

Any suggestions?

-What-
pcbTIM Posted - 04/24/2002 : 01:49:57 AM
Silky said:
quote:

And to answer your question, I play much more than I write... I play much more than I do anything.



I'm exactly the same way. I can't seem to write out lyrics any better than basic rhymes and it gets really frustrating. I just keep waiting for my muse.

enthuTIMsiast said:
quote:

I wondered this just today. How much do you all play? How long can you go without playing your guitar?



I don't really understand the first question....is it per day?....cuz I could play for like 4-5 hourse straight. I can probably go indefinitely without playing the guitar....but I wouldn't like it very much.

"Life is what you make of it, not what you take from it."
enthuTIMsiast Posted - 04/24/2002 : 12:30:10 AM
I wondered this just today. How much do you all play? How long can you go without playing your guitar?

-What-
Silky The Pimp Posted - 04/24/2002 : 12:28:16 AM
I'm from Atlanta... my musical project right now is just to enjoy playing. For whatever reason, I cannot sing and play at the same time, so that kinda limits me to things such as solo guitar. I've been doing a decent amount of writing recently and I'm starting to build a small library of original work, piece by piece. And to answer your question, I play much more than I write... I play much more than I do anything.
-J

rubylith Posted - 04/23/2002 : 1:53:20 PM
silky where ya from any how?
also do you have a musical project of your own? I would like to hear it. Do you focus your time of writing or playing? If that thought has even crossed your head before, lol.

-Dave
Silky The Pimp Posted - 04/22/2002 : 7:06:45 PM
Unfortunately I don't have a video of that song and I fear that may just be a little too hard to get with any great accuracy by ear using just my 6 string. I'd be happy to do it if you can somehow hook me up with a video though.
-J

Jamie M Posted - 04/22/2002 : 5:40:20 PM
Silky, I've got a new tabbing project for you. Do you mind taking a look at that really fast chord ascension in Turn It Into Love?

Fluffy Posted - 04/22/2002 : 03:31:48 AM
Thanx Silky, it is greatly appreciated, since half the TIMe I don't even know what I am looking at with those things. I need a professional to sort it out for me and decide which ones are right/wrong or better than others. I wouldn't even know where to begin. Thanx again.

Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
Silky The Pimp Posted - 04/22/2002 : 01:39:20 AM
Wow sounds good fluff, thanks. I will go through in the next day or two and see what I can find that isn't in the tab section/needs updating.
-J

Fluffy Posted - 04/21/2002 : 2:29:41 PM
PS: Silky, if you have time, go thru the Tabs section of the board and send me a list of links to the threads that need to have info updated or changed to the existing tabs on the Tabs page. Thanx!!

Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
Fluffy Posted - 04/21/2002 : 2:27:34 PM
Hey Silky, I have added updating the Tabs page to Jon's list of "Things To Do". Hopefully we will get to it before the end of the tour. I am also going to have him add your name and a couple of others to the Contact page at TimReynolds.com Recognition, where recognition is due, I always say!! Congrats, keep up the good work.

Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
Jamie M Posted - 04/20/2002 : 8:30:10 PM
You're welcome Silky. The appreciation is well deserved.
I feel the same way about getting every note in a tab. My problem is I'm not good enough at picking out the notes so I get frustrated too easily, and give up.

dick mountjoy Posted - 04/18/2002 : 9:28:37 PM
Great job on the tabs silky, i definitely agree that there's nothing worse than trying to play off of a inaccurate tab, thanks for putting in the time!

Silky The Pimp Posted - 04/18/2002 : 6:25:04 PM
Thanks Jamie, that means a lot to me. For whatever reason, I just cannot stand inaccurate tabs, so I guess that's what motivates me to be so pathologically detail oriented when I decide to do it myself. I generally go on a note by note basis, and figure things out based on each individual note being played, rather than trying to figure out a chord or an entire riff at once, that way I don't leave anything out. Needless to say, that means listening to some passages 40-50 times before I get it just right. As if that weren't pathological enough, after I figure out a passage, I play it in front of a mirror to make sure that my hands are in exactly the same position as TR's. So yeah, I'm a freak when it comes to the guitar, but the fact that you appreciate it makes me feel really good. Thanks again.
-J

Jamie M Posted - 04/18/2002 : 5:32:16 PM
Amazing... There aren't enough tabbers like you out there, Silky.

Silky The Pimp Posted - 04/18/2002 : 03:10:34 AM
I'm no TR.

My_Bad_Side Posted - 04/18/2002 : 01:15:29 AM
Man, Silky, you must be really good on the gutiar.

No one understands me.
Silky The Pimp Posted - 04/17/2002 : 10:47:21 PM
Here it is... just for TRincubsfan. As always, copy/paste into notepad for it to line up.
-J



Heaven Is In The Heart
By Tim Reynolds
Tabbed by Jeff Abeles


Drop D Tuning


Part A-1:
|----|--5-----10-----14---10-------5-----10-----5---3---------|
|----|:-7-----10-----15---10-------7-----10-----7---3--------:|
|----|--7-----11-----14---11-------7-----11-----7---4---------|
|----|----0-0----0-0----0------------0-0----0-0---0-5---------|
|----|:----------------------6s5----------------------4s5----:|
|--0-|---------------------------0------------------------0---|

A-2
|--5-----10-----14---10-------5-----10-----5---4---------|
|--7-----10-----15---10-------7-----10-----7---5--------:|
|--7-----11-----14---11-------7-----11-----7---4---------|
|----0-0----0-0----0------------0-0----0-0---0-----------|
|-----------------------6s5----------------------4s5----:|
|---------------------------0------------------0-----0---|

A-3
|--5-----10-----14---10-------5-----10-----5---3-----2---|
|--7-----10-----15---10-------7-----10-----7---3-----3---|
|--7-----11-----14---11-------7-----11-----7---4-----2---|
|----0-0----0-0----0------------0-0----0-0---0-5--0--4---|
|-----------------------6s5------------------------------|
|---------------------------0----------------------------|


Part B:
|--------------------3----2-------------------3----3-----|
|--------------------3----3-------------------3----2----:|
|--------------------4----2-------------------4----3-----|
|--------------------5----4-------------4-----5----4-----|
|------------5------------------------5-----------------:|
|--0-0-0-4-7---0-0-0----0---0-0-0-4-7-----0-0----0-------|


Part C:
Use Part A-2 for the verse after playing Part B.
A-2 leads into this, which leads into Part D.
|--5-----10-----14---10-------5-----10-----5---4----2----|
|--7-----10-----15---10-------7-----10-----7---5----3---:|
|--7-----11-----14---11-------7-----11-----7---4----2----|
|----0-0----0-0----0------------0-0----0-0---0-----------|
|-----------------------6s5-----------------------------:|
|-0-------------------------0------------------0--0------|


Part D:
|---------------------4---2---------------------4---2----|
|---------------------5---3---------------------5---3---:|
|---------------------4---2---------------------4---2----|
|--0-0-6b7-6-4b5------------0-0-6b7-6-4b5----------------|
|-----------------------------------------5-4-5---------:|
|----------------0-0--0-0-----------------------0-0------|


Part E-1:
|--1-----1---3-5-1-------------------1-----1---3-5-8-10-->
|--1---1-----3-5-1-3-----3-----3-----1---1-----3-5-8-10-->
|--2-2-----2-------2---2---2------2--2-2-----1----------->
|--------------------0-------0--0------------------------>
|-------------------------------------------------------->
|--3---------5-7-3-0-----------------3---------5-7------->


>---------10----10-----10--|
>---------10----10-----10-:|
>--------------------------|
>--------------------------|
>-------------------------:|
>--0--0-0----0-0---0-0-----|


E-2
|--1-----1---3-5-8-----|
|--1---1-----3-5-8-----|
|--2-2-----2-----------|
|----------------------|
|----------------------|
|--3---------5-7-------|

Part F-1:
|---------7--9-9--7--------------------------------------|
|:-7--9--------------9--7--7--9---------9--9-9--9-9------|
|---------7--9-9--7--------------------------------------|
|--7--9--------------9--7--7--9---------9--9-9--9-9------|
|:-------------------------------------------------------|
|--0----0-----0------0-----0----0--0-0-0--0----0----0----|


|---------7--9-9--7--------------------------------------|
|--7--9--------------9--7--9--7-------------------------:|
|---------7--9-9--7--------------------------------------|
|--7--9--------------9--7--9--7--------------4-7--6------|
|----------------------------------------4-5------------:|
|--0----0-----0------0-----0----0--0-6-7-----------------|

F-2
|---------7--9-9--7-----------------------------------------|
|--7--9--------------9--7--7-5--5-3---5s9-7--7-5--5-3---9-7-|
|---------7--9-9--7-----------------------------------------|
|--7--9--------------9--7--7-5--5-4---5s9-7--7-5--5-4---9-7-|
|-----------------------------------------------------------|
|--0----0-----0------0--0-0--0-0--0--0----0-0--0-0--0-------|



Fills for:
Part F-1
|-----------0---------------------|
|---------4---4-------------------|
|-------4-------4-----------------|
|-----4-----------4---------------|
|---2-----------------------------|
|---------------------------------|


Part E-1 (second part)
|-------10------8-----5-----3-----|
|-------10------8-----5-----3-----|
|---------------------------------|
|---------------------------------|
|---------------------------------|
|---0-12----0-10---0-7---0-5------|


Silky The Pimp Posted - 04/15/2002 : 8:29:18 PM
No problem... glad I could help!
-J

Ccr152 Posted - 04/15/2002 : 7:43:03 PM
silky youre on top of everything, thanks AGAIN.

pcbTIM Posted - 04/14/2002 : 12:54:21 PM
Yeah....cuz when I play by myself with my 6-string, it sounds great....until I try to play along with the CD.

"Life is what you make of it, not what you take from it."
Silky The Pimp Posted - 04/14/2002 : 03:53:12 AM
quote:
how do I play the intro so it sounds correct?


Before I saw a video I tabbed out some crazy shit that sounded right on the 6 string... it should be in the version of VOF in the tab section, but it's not what he plays. What I put above is what I got off of watching TR play it, and I tried it out on a 12 string and it sounded great, so I can say with near certainty that that's it!

quote:
Does that work for And Then They Were Free as well?


You won't notice as big of a difference with As Far As We Can See going to a 6 string, so just let 'er rip.
-J

chatterballs Posted - 04/14/2002 : 03:28:58 AM
quote:
You would just tune your guitar down a 1/2 step on every string.


I knew that, I should have been more specific...how do I play the intro so it sounds correct?

--------------------
I once saw a movie where this bus had to keep its SPEED above 50 and if its SPEED dropped, it would explode...I think it was called, the bus that couldn't slow down.
pcbTIM Posted - 04/13/2002 : 5:31:22 PM
Does that work for And Then They Were Free as well?

"I do what I can with what I've got."
Silky The Pimp Posted - 04/13/2002 : 3:26:02 PM
quote:
You would just tune your guitar down a 1/2 step on every string.




Yep, and you play the song the same way, the intro just doesn't sound exactly the same. The rest of it sounds fine on a 6 string though.
-J

Jamie M Posted - 04/13/2002 : 2:52:00 PM
quote:

OKay...how am I supposed to play flourescence on a standard six string then? Just wondering my brother.

--------------------
I once saw a movie where this bus had to keep its SPEED above 50 and if its SPEED dropped, it would explode...I think it was called, the bus that couldn't slow down.



You would just tune your guitar down a 1/2 step on every string.

chatterballs Posted - 04/13/2002 : 04:05:08 AM
OKay...how am I supposed to play flourescence on a standard six string then? Just wondering my brother.

--------------------
I once saw a movie where this bus had to keep its SPEED above 50 and if its SPEED dropped, it would explode...I think it was called, the bus that couldn't slow down.
dick mountjoy Posted - 04/04/2002 : 5:56:50 PM
nice work silky

Silky The Pimp Posted - 04/04/2002 : 5:26:13 PM
Here's another...

Loose Interpretations
by Tim Reynolds
Tabbed by Jeff Abeles


Tune the low E down to a C


Part A:
|-------------3-x--------3---3---------------3-x---------3--3--|
|-------------4-x--------4---4-------6-4~----4-x---------4--4-:|
|-----5-3-----3-x--------3---3---3-5---------3-x---------3--3--|
|-3-5----------------------------------------------------------|
|------------3--------3-----3---------------3--------3-----3--:|
|-3-5---0--x------3-5---0------x-3-5---0--x------3-5----0------|


Part B:
|-6-8-10s11-------------------------------------|
|-6-8-10s11------------------10-8--------------:|
|----------------------10-8--10-8---------------|
|----------------------10-8--10-8-10------------|
|----------------------------------------------:|
|-3-5-------0-0h10h12-0--0-----0-----0h3-5-6-7--|



Part C:
|---------------------------------------------------------------|---------------------|
|-4h5-5--4h5------------6h7-7-6h7---------7h8-8-7h8-------------|:-6h7-7-6h7---------:|
|-4h6-6--4h6------------6h7-7-6h7---------7h9-9-7h9-------------|--6h7-7-6h7----------|
|---------------------------------------------------------------|---------------------|
|-0-----0----0h4-0h5-4--0----0------------0----0----0h4p0-5p4p0-|:-0----0------------:|
|---------------------------------0h7-6-4-----------------------|------------0h7-6-4--|


End part C:
|---------------------|
|:-8--7--6--5--4-4-4--|
|--7--6--5--4--3-3-3--|
|---------------------|
|:-7--0--5--4--3---3--|
|---------------------|



Silky The Pimp Posted - 04/04/2002 : 12:02:38 PM
I find Letting Go to be much easier fyi.
-J

{=HTG=} Posted - 04/04/2002 : 06:34:13 AM
I'll have to give these songs a shot, haha. I've always liked practicing a little Tim. After about an hour of practice i've gotten no where and only come up with aching fingers. Some day. . . . . . .



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