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| babatunji |
Posted - 01/07/2002 : 06:25:13 AM
Give thanks to God for the fingers with which we play, for the ears with which we listen, and for the hearts with which we feel.
Peace.
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| Saint Jude |
Posted - 01/14/2002 : 5:52:49 PM
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that is why i call myself an egnostic
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http://www.thehappyheretic.com/06-01.htm
I guess i am an athiest then.
Patriotism is a maggot in their heads. - Henry D. Thoreau |
| pcbTIM |
Posted - 01/14/2002 : 02:05:40 AM
touche!
"War is not about who is right, it is about who is left." |
| tericee |
Posted - 01/14/2002 : 02:03:06 AM
Doesn't it always?
teri 
Did I mention that I finished a marathon? |
| pcbTIM |
Posted - 01/14/2002 : 01:43:37 AM
That was a very good article. I thought the part about God cheating at cards was pretty funny.
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Anyways, I know for a fact that religion conversation/argumnts can get pretty heated so I say we drop the subject.
I'd say that this discussion has gone on for a while despite the fact that it's been dropped.
"War is not about who is right, it is about who is left." |
| Xar666 |
Posted - 01/13/2002 : 10:43:10 PM
hey now |
| Fleabass76 |
Posted - 01/13/2002 : 10:10:30 PM
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I hear religious people saying that non-believers have messed up value systems and such, but hay, look at me and lotus, are we going around killing people? Hell no, and why, because we know its wrong. not because a book told us. because we thought for ourselves and decided that perhaps killing isnt such a good idea.
That is really easy for you to say. I have to bring up the point that the majority of our society is based on religion. So you can say that you decided that killing was not such a good idea, but you should ask yourself why you think that. If there wasn't all the religious stuff going on would killing be such a big deal? You may think that question is absurd, but without all the religious stuff our society would be different and maybe killing would be normal. Consider Japan a couple hundred years ago. They were not exposed to the same religion as us and they had samurais killing whoever they pleased without punishment because they didnt think it was wrong.
Don't take this harshly or anything, I agree with alot of the things you said, but I consider myself religious for now so I want to defend.
Um..Sorry, but slavery? the "eradication" of the Native Americans? The Crusades? Nobody thought these things were wrong and it occured in christian lands. Yeah, the church is a great thing for bringing ppl together and establishing laws, but when it gets organized and big, it becomes a vessel for power-which leads to war. I believe in the power of the human spirit, we control our own destiny. Atrocities like the samauri's you speak of occurs all over-it's human nature to destroy. It wouldn't have mattered if they had christianity, because christians kill too. KKK is another good example. Some groups of people are just screwed up. Like when those kids were shooting up schools and the press was going "Oh, it's cuz of their video games and music!" NO!! Some People are just screwed up! Whoa, I'm rambling, need sleep.....did any of this make sense?
"People always tell you to color inside the lines, [but] who drew the lines in the first place? [Think about that.]" -Victor Wooten |
| pcbTIM |
Posted - 01/12/2002 : 04:49:03 AM
That's actually kind of funny. I was at an internet joke site and there was a list of "ancient Chinese proverbs". You know like "he who walks around with hand in pocket is cocky all day". And it was one of them. It seemed a little out of place, but I thought it was really cool, so it became my signature.
"War is not about who is right, it is about who is left." |
| tericee |
Posted - 01/12/2002 : 04:44:05 AM
So who said that darn quote at the end of your post?
teri
Did I mention that I finished a marathon? |
| pcbTIM |
Posted - 01/12/2002 : 04:07:08 AM
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pcbdmb im confused, you disagree with, and possibly dislike religion, but you lead church retreats?
It's a difficult situation to explain. The retreat is called Kairos and I've heard that there are many Catholic high schools throughout the country that have it. The retreat focuses on God, family, friends, and themselves. A lot of people who go on the retreats have the same views as I do, others really believe in the church, and others are of another religion or don't believe in God at all. So we (the leaders) have to be very careful about everything we say so as not to offend anyone.
"War is not about who is right, it is about who is left." |
| tericee |
Posted - 01/12/2002 : 03:23:29 AM
I don't think religion and God are synonymous. I think religion is man's way of trying to explain who God is/could be. Many different opinions/points of view result in many different varieties of religion.
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I guess it can be a good thing to have religion, but look at all the wars what have been caused in God's name. The Crusades, the rape and genocide of the Native Americans, September 11th, and the list goes on...it's a sin to murder, yet so many people kill in the name of god it isn't funny...
I think it's unfair that everyone blames God for all the people who kill in God's name. John Hinckley tried to kill Ronald Reagan in Jodie Foster's name and nobody blamed her. Just because some crazy wacko yells "Allah" or "Jesus" as he pulls the trigger or wields his sword doesn't mean Jesus or Allah is out there rooting for him.
teri
Did I mention that I finished a marathon? |
| Jamie M |
Posted - 01/11/2002 : 10:43:24 PM
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I hear religious people saying that non-believers have messed up value systems and such, but hay, look at me and lotus, are we going around killing people? Hell no, and why, because we know its wrong. not because a book told us. because we thought for ourselves and decided that perhaps killing isnt such a good idea.
That is really easy for you to say. I have to bring up the point that the majority of our society is based on religion. So you can say that you decided that killing was not such a good idea, but you should ask yourself why you think that. If there wasn't all the religious stuff going on would killing be such a big deal? You may think that question is absurd, but without all the religious stuff our society would be different and maybe killing would be normal. Consider Japan a couple hundred years ago. They were not exposed to the same religion as us and they had samurais killing whoever they pleased without punishment because they didnt think it was wrong.
Don't take this harshly or anything, I agree with alot of the things you said, but I consider myself religious for now so I want to defend.
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| James M. |
Posted - 01/11/2002 : 10:29:19 PM
...id have to agree with saint jude..i could swing both ways.....no im not talking about believing in god..(wink wink)....
i am just kidding
but really....im totally against religion...i have friends who believe in god and go to church all the time..thats their choice...they dont force their beliefs on me..and vice versa...but it is fun to debate the subject...so continue!..
james
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| Dave S |
Posted - 01/11/2002 : 10:02:41 PM
pcbdmb im confused, you disagree with, and possibly dislike religion, but you lead church retreats?
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| pcbTIM |
Posted - 01/11/2002 : 8:18:30 PM
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the thing about religion is it's a 'faith', and to have 'faith' is to believe in something that my not be true.
I'll have to disagree with that statement. Religion stemmed from faith. I know that anyone can have faith; whether it be in God or that their home team will win. I have faith but I don't really agree with religion. The people who created religion had good intentions, just like our founding fathers who wrote up the Constitution. But centuries of being ruled my man has corrupted it. For example, people are constatly arguing over First Amendment rights (like porn is freedom of speech) when the founding fathers obviously didn't intend for it to happen.
"War is not about who is right, it is about who is left." |
| Saint Jude |
Posted - 01/11/2002 : 2:31:51 PM
here here, well said my good man.
the thing about religion is it's a 'faith', and to have 'faith' is to believe in something that my not be true. that is why i call myself an egnostic (sp?) because i can not believe in everything that one religion is completely correct, and if any does think they are 100% correct they are extreemly dumb in saying that. because we are human, we have flaws, and we the humans are the ones who created religion, so in turn religion can be flawed too.
I hear religious people saying that non-believers have messed up value systems and such, but hay, look at me and lotus, are we going around killing people? Hell no, and why, because we know its wrong. not because a book told us. because we thought for ourselves and decided that perhaps killing isnt such a good idea. (sorry to speak for lotus but i imagine that is how u feel).
so just think for yourselves before you are cutting off your balls.
peace.
Patriotism is a maggot in their heads. - Henry D. Thoreau |
| Black Lotus |
Posted - 01/11/2002 : 10:36:09 AM
OK, whose idea was it to let Fred Durst in? C'mon ... this is lame.
Anyway, back to the "God" topic.
I don't believe that there is a God or every will be a God. People believe what they want ... that's the point. Religion teaches us to have a believe in something that they can't necessarily put their finger on. In most cases it teaches good family values as well. Religion gives people a sense of belief and comfort (for those that do believe).
I guess it can be a good thing to have religion, but look at all the wars what have been caused in God's name. The Crusades, the rape and genocide of the Native Americans, September 11th, and the list goes on.
I just can't buy into a bunch of self rightous, bigotted bullshit from some book that's older than time itself (damn near). The "Bible" is so contradictory to itself it isn't even funny.
If there's one people that had it right, it was the Native Americans (yes, I'm generalizing - it's horrible, I know). They teach to worship the Mother Earth as the giver of life and to respect Her and take care of Her. That to me makes perfect sense.
What doesn't make sense is that it's a sin to be gay, it's a sin to masterbate, it's a sin to have sex prior to marriage, it's a sin to have wants and desires (fuck ... how are we supposed to have goals then if we don't have wants and desires?), it's a sin to murder, yet so many people kill in the name of god it isn't funny - our country was founded on it.
Catholocism is hippocritical, racist bullshit; and it's manipulated by everyone who worships it, so they can better themselves in some for or another.
Bah ... "God" is dead. I choose to be my own person, to live my own life, to provide for my wife and family, to set goals and wants and achieve those things. I'm not a puppet, fuck religion.
Sorry, I shall step off my soap box now.
If you believe in "God", that's your decision and I don't think of you any different for doing so. Shit, my wife believes in "God" - that's her choice. As it is mine to not believe.
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| FredDurst |
Posted - 01/08/2002 : 10:37:43 PM
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"KING OF ALL I SURVEY"
Maybe I should change that to "GOD OF ALL I SURVEY"
I can see how you might have all been misled, Sorry for the confusion.
FD "KING OF ALL I SURVEY" |
| FredDurst |
Posted - 01/08/2002 : 10:33:12 PM
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Who is this "God" person you all talk aboot? Is he somewhere on this message board?
Why I AM, of course, I thought you would all know that by now!
FD "KING OF ALL I SURVEY" |
| Evergreen |
Posted - 01/08/2002 : 09:50:12 AM
Plus he said give thanx for fingers...YES YES YES!!!! TR's fingers!!!
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| Evergreen |
Posted - 01/08/2002 : 09:48:46 AM
Hey Baba....I'm so happy you joined us!!!!!Don't worry about the "jabs" you got on your 1st post. I wish people would be a bit more gentle and think before they post. I wonder if that's why we haven't seen Fluffy in awhile? Take Liz K's frequent words of wisdom.....put your helmet on and strap yourself in...and don't be afraid to hand out some shit back.
Its totally anyones business to believe they came from a primordial puddle on barren ground. But please don't try make an argument against the colorful visions of those of us who believe that life is way too complex, intricate, interconnected, and beautiful for it to just have accidently happened.
I hope you come back to the board Baba. Most of the time we make each other laugh and have great discussions. Your vast knowledge of all things musical will really fit in well here. And I know how much you love TR!!!! Come on now, come back, please come back!!!! And if not I'll see you after work...HeHe
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| babatunji |
Posted - 01/08/2002 : 06:14:26 AM
Greetings, Liz K,
Yes, I am a great fan of Evergreen's. Thanks to her, I got to know T. R.'s music and immense talent...and this message board.
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| pcbTIM |
Posted - 01/08/2002 : 01:07:37 AM
Whatever floats your boat....Whatever tickles your pickle....Whatever makes you moist....Whatever flies your kite.....Whatever bakes your cake....Whatever blows your dress up......
"War is not about who is right, it is about who is left." |
| Saint Jude |
Posted - 01/08/2002 : 12:59:22 AM
You wanna have anal sex with a dead tim reynolds? 
Patriotism is a maggot in their heads. - Henry D. Thoreau |
| Xar666 |
Posted - 01/08/2002 : 12:33:15 AM
what |
| TRent |
Posted - 01/08/2002 : 12:22:07 AM
in my favorites i have timreynolds.com listed as "GODs-offical website" and then i have this board as "GODs-message board". tim reynolds is god.
Life, loathe it or ignore it, you can't like it. |
| Saint Jude |
Posted - 01/07/2002 : 7:55:04 PM
werd
Patriotism is a maggot in their heads. - Henry D. Thoreau |
| dirtysloth |
Posted - 01/07/2002 : 7:31:27 PM
I understand exactly what you mean Saint. Well put.
Peace,
Patrick
http://members.tripod.com/one4tim/index.htm |
| Saint Jude |
Posted - 01/07/2002 : 4:41:20 PM
I supose you could call me an egnostic. Because i would not be surprised if there is or is not a god. I do however believe is spirituality, or karma i supose. But the idea of a 'god' that has always been and we should not ask where he/she/it came from seems kinda sketchy to me. If we are allowed to ask where we came from and get the answer 'god'... then why cant we ask where 'god' came from.
So i guess what i am trying to say is although 'god' may be an answer to where we humans came from, it still isnt a complete answer to where everything came from.
Hopefully you will understand what i mean.
Patriotism is a maggot in their heads. - Henry D. Thoreau |
| dirtysloth |
Posted - 01/07/2002 : 3:42:48 PM
Yeah, it can get heated so I'll stay away from exactly what quote I would choose about this god character. I'm not out to offend anyone either. But I do want to point out that I personally would not call myself an atheist just to be cool or stand out. I truly do not have any "religious" beliefs... however that makes me look is fine with me cuz that's just how it is.
Peace,
Patrick
http://members.tripod.com/one4tim/index.htm |
| LizT |
Posted - 01/07/2002 : 2:22:49 PM
Welcome babatunji! Kevin hit the nail on the head!
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Anyways, I know for a fact that religion conversation/argumnts can get pretty heated so I say we drop the subject.
I see you are from Vermont too. Are you a friend of Evergreen? Glad to have you. I don't think Patrick had his breakfast this morning, he is trying to eat the young again!! Just kidding Patrick! Don't take it wrong, these guys wear their heart on their sleeves!! |
| KevinLesko |
Posted - 01/07/2002 : 12:42:07 PM
I too am an atheist, and to answer your question, i would not write the quote "god loves me". I'd be more likely to write "god is a fictional character" or something along those lines. Anyways, I know for a fact that religion conversation/argumnts can get pretty heated so I say we drop the subject.
Babatunji: I agree with you, we are all lucky to have TR's music as part of our lives.
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| babatunji |
Posted - 01/07/2002 : 11:47:51 AM
hey there,
well, my meaning is that when i listen to a fella as talented as t.r., i am grateful to be able to enjoy his musical gifts. that's all. i do (without trying to sound zealous) instinctually think of a supreme entity responsible for what we have. you may or may not agree, and i am completely respectful of that. don't get me wrong, i don't walk around thumping a bible or anything...sorry if i offended anyone.
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| pcbTIM |
Posted - 01/07/2002 : 11:45:39 AM
Yeah. Who is this "God" person you all talk aboot? Is he somewhere on this message board?
I'm only kidding. I thank him everyday.
Hey dirtysloth, if you're an atheist, I have a question for you. When I lead a retreat last month, we had two atheists. When I gave my talk, Search for God, I had everyone write down a few quotes aboot God. So my question is: if you're atheist, would you write down things like "God loves me" or something like that? Personally, I think they were calling themselves atheists just to be cool or stand out.
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| dirtysloth |
Posted - 01/07/2002 : 09:08:07 AM
How about you do that. I'll just be happy with what I've got and leave this "god" fella out of it. Sorry, but we're not all religious people here. Don't get the wrong impression... I think it's great to have you here. But one thing about this board is that there is some diversity.
Peace,
Patrick
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