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| PJK |
Posted - 01/26/2008 : 07:48:52 AM
Thought this would interest you Fluffy. Who else is doing anything for Native Americans?
Obama Calls on Senate to Swiftly Pass Indian Health Care Bill
Tuesday, January 22, 2008
Printable FormatFOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: Michael Ortiz
WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) today released the following statement on the Indian Health Care Improvement Act (IHCIA) Amendments of 2007 (S.1200), which is currently before the Senate. Obama is an original cosponsor of the legislation.
“For more than fourteen years, Congress has failed to reauthorize the Indian Health Care Improvement Act and comprehensively modernize Native American health care services. This is unfair and unacceptable.
“Today’s Native Americans are disproportionately suffering from debilitating illnesses, like diabetes, heart disease and stroke. The infant mortality rate is 150 percent higher for Native American infants than white infants, and the suicide rate for Native Americans is two and a half times the national rate. With these alarming statistics, improvements to Native American health care could not come at a more urgent time.
“It is our country's moral imperative to address the significant health care disparities between the Native American population and the American population as a whole. We must ensure our tribal health care programs on reservations and in urban centers are adequately prepared to provide preventative health care as well as treatment for substance and alcohol abuse, domestic violence, and mental health issues. Native Americans deserve the same high quality health care professionals that care for families throughout the country.
“I commend Senator Dorgan and the Indian Affairs Committee for their leadership on this legislation, and I strongly urge its swift passage in the Senate.”
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| Zachmozach |
Posted - 02/07/2008 : 12:01:16 AM
quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
oh, well that's easy. we don't make people like that anymore. and that's all politicians are; people born and raised in america. you're making a distinction between the population and the politicians. no such distinction exist except in privilege and power. the origins are the same. we're not shipping these people in from somewhere else. they are the product of their class, biology and enviornment, same as everyone else. if you find politicians lacking, then you find the public lacking, since that's where they come from. that's what this machine produces. politicians don't suck. the public suck. the people suck.
You said it better than I. I completely agree but I was having problems articulating it. I should really start sleeping. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 02/06/2008 : 9:24:20 PM
When Robin is on your side, you know you're onto something.  |
| Robin |
Posted - 02/06/2008 : 8:33:57 PM
I have to agree with HRW, the list of healthcare for Indians being "swiftly" passed looks good for the politicians and above and beyond that,it doesn't begin to address the issuse of how neatly the American Government has tucked away the Indigenous people's of this country. It's not as easy here in Canada where the First Nations people are fighting back in a more active way. While the reserves are similar to the States it's much more visible and in your face. I hate the fact that there are actually people in the states who think Indian's don't exist. It's true!
It was a sad day for me when Dennis dropped out of the race.I don't hold to the belief that someone needs to "play the game" to be a legitamate candidate. I think that's the kind of mindset that keeps this a two party system with the promise, or as I like to call it, the delusion of a real democratic society.I liked the fact thatDennis had real ideas that could have been implemented if the country was willing. We talk about real change but when it coems right down to it the familiar bullshit or no, wins every time. At least there's the hope that what Dennis had to say was heard by some folks. Being banned from a debate just shows how controlled it all really is. democracy my ass! Peace, from the frozen white North. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 02/06/2008 : 5:25:03 PM
Aaaaaaand, I'm spent. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 02/06/2008 : 2:36:12 PM
oh, well that's easy. we don't make people like that anymore. and that's all politicians are; people born and raised in america. you're making a distinction between the population and the politicians. no such distinction exist except in privilege and power. the origins are the same. we're not shipping these people in from somewhere else. they are the product of their class, biology and enviornment, same as everyone else. if you find politicians lacking, then you find the public lacking, since that's where they come from. that's what this machine produces. politicians don't suck. the public suck. the people suck. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 02/06/2008 : 1:16:50 PM
I was just trying to point out that Philadelphia was once a town blessed to have some of the greatest gathering of political minds of all time. Now days the people vote for GWB. So I was trying to show how screwed up things have gotten and wondering where the political thinkers in government went. I don't know if that's more clear. I should probably start sleeping and I would make more sense. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 02/06/2008 : 10:14:01 AM
I think I missed that parallel as well, Zach. Expound. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 02/06/2008 : 04:21:47 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Zachmozach
During the founding of this country Philadelphia had some of the greatest political minds of their time gathered together. Agree with them or not they were political thinkers. In 2000 they voted for president Bush. How can anyone not be ashamed? Sure I don't identify with that but that's the point is that when I'm abroad I'm ashamed to say I'm an american with what that generally means to people these days.
i'm not sure i follow. the much venerated founding fathers were great political thinkers. i'm not sure what the connection is between them and the 2000 election, though. they were all dust in 2000. what exactly is the connection between the two, or what point are you trying to illustrate? i'm also not sure why so many people think anything in the late 1700s has anything to do with the early 2000s. it's not the same world. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 02/06/2008 : 01:51:38 AM
During the founding of this country Philadelphia had some of the greatest political minds of their time gathered together. Agree with them or not they were political thinkers. In 2000 they voted for president Bush. How can anyone not be ashamed? Sure I don't identify with that but that's the point is that when I'm abroad I'm ashamed to say I'm an american with what that generally means to people these days. |
| rubylith |
Posted - 02/05/2008 : 3:43:06 PM
Obama Economic Controller
Is Skull And Bones Member
Austan 'The Ghoul' Goolsbee, Yale '91
By Webster Tarpley
2-4-8
OBAMA'S TRIFECTA: FOREIGN POLICY LINE IS RUN BY TRILATERAL FOUNDER ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI -OBAMA''S WIFE LINKED TO COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
WASHINGTON DC -- Barack Obama's top economics adviser is a member of the super-secret Skull & Bones society of Yale University, of which George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, and John Kerry are also members, reliable sources confirmed tonight. Goolsbee is widely reported to have told Obama not to back a compulsory freeze on home mortgage foreclosures to help the struggling middle class in the current depression crisis, as demanded by former candidate John Edwards. Hillary Clinton has advocated a one-year voluntary freeze on foreclosures. Obama has offered counselors to comfort mortgage victims as they are dispossessed, citing the 'moral hazard' of protecting the public interest from Wall Street sharks.
By adding the infamous Skull & Bones secret society to his campaign roster, Obama, who bills himself as the candidate of change and hope, has attained a prefect trifecta of oligarchical and financier establishment backing for his attempt to seize the nomination of the Democratic Party for 2008. Obama's main overall image adviser and foreign policy adviser is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the co-founder of David Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission, and the mastermind of the disastrous Carter administration. Obama's wife Michelle is reputed to be closely linked to the Council on Foreign Relations. Behind the utopian platitudes dished up by the Illinois senator, the face of the Wall Street money elite comes into clearer and clearer focus.
George Will, in an October 2007 Washington Post column saluted Goolsbee's "nuanced understanding" of traditional Democratic issues like globalization and income inequality; he "seems to be the sort of fellow -- amiable, empirical, and reasonable--you would want at the elbow of a Democratic president, if such there must be," wrote the arch-oligarchical apologist Will.
From Wikipedia: 'Austan D. Goolsbee is an economist and is currently the Robert P. Gwinn Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business. He is also a Research Fellow at the American Bar Foundation[1], Research Associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and a member of the Panel of Economic Advisors to the Congressional Budget Office. He has been Barack Obama's economic advisor since Obama's successful U.S. Senate campaign in Illinois. He is the lead economic advisor to the 2008 Obama presidential campaign.'
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| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 02/02/2008 : 7:24:07 PM
WYLD STALLIONS! |
| dan p. |
Posted - 02/02/2008 : 1:49:00 PM
excellent. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 02/01/2008 : 1:13:06 PM
Indubitably. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 02/01/2008 : 11:47:59 AM
it did. are we bad people now? |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 8:36:09 PM
That felt good. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 8:01:43 PM
that's a nice carte blanche you got there. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 6:13:49 PM
Fuck you, end of topic. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 1:36:32 PM
fair enough. i think there's an important distinction between not liking the stigma that comes along with being an american and actual shame just for being an american, though. the former i can understand. the latter, no so much.
also, agreeing to disagree is not allowed on these boards. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 11:42:30 AM
I guess we agree to disagree.
It's mainly the stigma that's attached to be being 'American,' but that stigma is backed up by a LOT of bad scenes. So I am stigmatized as such, and that is upsetting to me. Do I sit around moping about it? Only sometimes when I am drunk. Do I intend to do something about it? Absolutely.
Forget the role it plays in my life. Like Zach, I think a lot of people are generally fed up with what is viewed as 'The American Way.' And that affects us all, Dan, whether you consider it trivial or not. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 11:06:00 AM
yeah, there is. but why does that matter? do you identify with them? is "american" a significant or meaningful portion of your self-identity, or an identity you outwardly display? what role does the notion of being american play in your life? i can't imagine nationality playing enough of a role in my self-image so that i feel ashamed of people who share that nationality. it seems trivial. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 10:28:08 AM
That may be true Dan, but you must admit that there is a big, swollen, ignorant part of the population that rides around on a red, white, and blue horse and thinks we export democracy.
Maybe I am not so ashamed of being from here as I am of the people who help perpetuate that big lie and call themselves my countrymen. |
| gnome44 |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 07:21:24 AM
Nicely said... |
| dan p. |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 12:55:46 AM
shame is an empty concept, lacking truth, value, or meaning.
seriously though, i don't really feel pride or shame in nationality. i had nothing to do with where i was born and the culture i was raised in. i save pride and shame for shit that i actually do and earn. no sense in wasting it in things you had no part in. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 01/30/2008 : 10:57:52 PM
Must be nice to live in La-La Land. |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 01/30/2008 : 8:01:07 PM
I am proud to be a Neutopian No land, no government, only people. And to be a citizen of Neutopia, all you have to do is recognize it's existence. Also, all citizens of Neutopia are ambassadors to it.
To listen to the National Anthem, just buy John Lennon's Mind Games album. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 01/29/2008 : 7:53:54 PM
Ya I'm definitely not proud to be an american. In fact I'm disgusted and ashamed of our country. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 01/29/2008 : 2:44:11 PM
True, but I can honestly say whatever pride I had to be an American was completely obliterated over the last seven years.
I also am aware of plenty of societies who didn't slay 75% of a race during the last 200 years as means to an end. |
| Arthen |
Posted - 01/29/2008 : 1:04:29 PM
You can be proud and ashamed of a country/state/nation/person at the same time. I know of no society or individual who was all pure and golden....
...except Dan. P. He's fucking metal. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 01/28/2008 : 8:36:42 PM
Sounds like aggrandized political posturing and absolute tripe of the worst kind.
We slaughtered the indigenous peoples here. We can never amend that. Enough apologies can never be made. Israel got a nation. The people here got dick. Yes, you can historically compare the Jews and the natives of North 'America.' I think anyone with an elementary understanding of both the groups' plights can agree. This talk of 'health care' for Native 'Americans' is way too little, way too late. And which, I assume, also comes with a shit-load of incomprehensible paperwork.
Let's not talk about the corporations who directly are responsible for these health problems the natives are now plagued with. Just that they have these problems.
Ok...the headline is immediately offensive:'Obama Calls on Senate to Swiftly Pass Indian Health Care Bill.' Brilliant. What, you may think, do the people of India have to do with Barak Obama?
'Oh,' you realize. 'No, not Indiiiii-ans.'
No. The peoples indigenous to the 'Americas'. You know, the ones that we decided to kill because they didn't want to roll over.
K, We are going to have a timely political story about how Barak Obama cares about the 'Indian Health Care' bill. Again, without any mention of how all these ailments are all attributed to cigarettes, alcohol, processed foods, medicinal side-effects,etc endemic to a capitalist culture that was essentially forced upon these people.
Let's have a good look. We broke these people. We vioilently took their land. We call it ours proudly. That is a cosmic shame. They barely exist as village-sized communities around the continent on 'reservations.' These people did not the get chance to thrive here; though; one might agree that had they had that chance, we'd not have anywhere near the horrible health risks brought on by a world gone industrially apeshit. We might still be modest in our desires, and not take our world for granted. Not have the dire need to OWN and DOMINATE. We'll never know that, very much in spite of what our Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or any belief system we may have, subscribes to.
No, instead we let the war machine roll with some fancy talk about stopping it. Without ever mentioning the names of those corporations (or, 'people,' in Americanese) who are directly responsible. Many of the same corporate conglomerates who make products which surely contribute to the 'Indian' ailments.
Wave that flag. Proud-like, y'hear? |
| PJK |
Posted - 01/27/2008 : 08:15:21 AM
Wow! Seriously heavy reading, not in the language he uses but in the fact that he covers all the problems facing Native Americans, even diabetes. At first I thought it just sounded like the usual political laundry list of promises, but then I realized that without the "list" NOTHING gets accomplished. It reminded me about the industrial hemp issue .....sovereign nation my ass! It's supposed to be, but far from it! Instantly makes me angry. Not unlike the hanging of the 38 Native Americans. They were punished because the government, well one man acting on behalf of the gov't, denied the Native Americans what rightfully belonged to them (food and supplies) and then didn't understand why they went on rampages! They were starving!
Not only is everything he listed true, when the NA try to get out of poverty themselves, our government steps in and makes it impossible for them. Arrrrrgggggg!!!! Sooooo frustrating!
Anyway,thanks for the link.
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| Fluffy |
Posted - 01/27/2008 : 05:09:44 AM
Kucinich also did but sadly he has pulled himself out of contention. I figured if anyone is actually going to read this besides me it would be you:
http://66.39.105.129/issues/native_americans.php |
