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| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 12/28/2007 : 10:03:11 AM
This is bullshit.
http://money.cnn.com/2007/12/17/autos/honda_civic_hf/index.htm?postversion=2007122013
Greed is a by-product of ignorance, and a powerful one.
Thanks auto-makers, for not really giving a fuck about anyone but yourselves and Mama Oil! |
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| GuitarGuy305 |
Posted - 12/29/2007 : 3:52:15 PM
quote:
Originally posted by gnome44
At first glance it seems that the 1987 Civic got amazing gas mileage. But, the article seemed to point out that after taking into consideration things like the modern method for estimating MPG, increased safety standards, and general "improvements" to the car, that in fact it's mileage wasn't as "great" as it seemed.
You make a good point, the old MPG estimates by the EPA were very high and unattainable for your average driver. The page for the 87 Civic HF on fueleconomy.gov has been updated with the "new" EPA estimate of 46 (combined city/hwy) MPG which still seems pretty impressive for a car that is 21-ish years old. What does impress me is that the "carbon footprint" of this car is 4.0, which is the same as the 2007 Toyota Prius. The 2007 Honda Fit which is very small is only rated at 30 combined MPG with a carbon footprint of 6.1.
Then again if you were driving a 20/21 year old car today would it burn as clean as it did 20 years ago? Probably not. But I get that the point is that this particular car got way better mileage 20 years ago than cars today do.
I went to fueleconomy.gov and compared the same models of a lot of cars from 1986, 1996 and 2006 and for the most part the MPG ratings had improved, as had the carbon footprints. The funny thing is that they actually got worse in 1996 and then the 2006 numbers were closer to the 1986 numbers. Then again, can you really trust anything that ends ".gov?"
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| Zachmozach |
Posted - 12/29/2007 : 1:23:18 PM
I just got back from a trip to Mexico where I was in Mexico City, Vera Cruz, Puebla etc. It's polluted like crazy cause I don't think they have restrictions like we do. Yet most of the newer cars there and all the nissan taxi's are all smaller more economical cars. Even in Mexico there are more economical cars around. Auto companies have been bastards over the past 100 years. Look at how they bought up public transportation in the 30's to increase their business. I only drive when I have to haul my bass to a gig and an amp. I ride the bus the ten minutes it takes to school with my giant upright and prefer that to a car. Sometimes when it's nice I walk home. I look forward to gas going above $6 a gallon in the years ahead as our median income falls. Then it will force people to change their lives. |
| Arthen |
Posted - 12/28/2007 : 11:40:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hopeful Rolling Waves
...tangential thought, etc.
My friend caught that in Vegas. It certainly didn't stay there. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 12/28/2007 : 5:48:33 PM
Stream of consciousness, tangential thought, etc.
Shit happens. |
| gnome44 |
Posted - 12/28/2007 : 4:22:50 PM
I don't know how that article sparked all of that...
Regardless, I agree with you entirely. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 12/28/2007 : 4:09:18 PM
The point, friend, is that auto manufacturers have been dicking around for 30 years and essentially making any attempts at sustainability look foolish. Still a new line of EVERY CAR is made EVERY YEAR despite the millions that sit unused or unkempt...mechanic jobs, anyone?
True innovation doesn't pop off the line every year, it's all sizzle.
That is the bullshit.
Duh. |
| gnome44 |
Posted - 12/28/2007 : 10:27:38 AM
I don't see what your problem is with this article.
At first glance it seems that the 1987 Civic got amazing gas mileage. But, the article seemed to point out that after taking into consideration things like the modern method for estimating MPG, increased safety standards, and general "improvements" to the car, that in fact it's mileage wasn't as "great" as it seemed.
I guess if you're willing to make enough compromises you could just drive around that scooter that they had in Dumb and Dumber. 120 MPG!
Maybe I missed something though...I admit I didn't read it particularly carefully. |
