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| rubylith |
Posted - 01/09/2007 : 4:51:58 PM
Watch this BULLSHIT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTgI4r0DWGw&eurl=
Yes concentration camps are good! I can't believe people watch this shit and actually enjoy it. ugh. |
| 42 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| dan p. |
Posted - 02/01/2007 : 7:38:27 PM
you're preaching to the choir, champ. |
| Katchoo |
Posted - 02/01/2007 : 11:52:39 AM
quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
life is too short for sex and the city.
Both clever and witty...how on earth do you accomplish both?
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Dan P. A demigod...in our midst. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 01/31/2007 : 8:18:40 PM
life is too short for sex and the city. |
| Katchoo |
Posted - 01/31/2007 : 6:04:12 PM
quote:
Originally posted by tericee
quote:
Originally posted by Arthen
And Band of Brothers being propaganda? I look at it as a character drama about the horrors of war and the men trapped in it and how they related and function with one another.
I'd like to understand that opinion as well.
So back to my original request for clarification... I suppose if you consider war-time memoirs to be "Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause" then it's propaganda too. I'm just curious what doctrine or cause you think they're advocating or opposing in "Band of Brothers."
To respond: A lot of people I have talked to have a very strong endearment to that movie. I am absolutely in support of honoring those who have passed. I will be the first to say that my inexperience with war (as a civilian) sets me up for complete incomprehension of the nature of being a solider and what it means to have kill anyone under order. I do not have any personal memories of losing a loved one to war. In my conversations with my friends and family about this movie, I found that Band of Brothers resonates with different people for very different reasons, some of them having nothing to do with the war itself. Because of this, I would prefer to not get into my observations about what *I* consider problematic elements the film and let others enjoy it for what it is.
Basically, if I can enjoy Sex in the City with all of its problematic elements (and there are plenty), why shouldn't someone else be able to enjoy Band of Brothers? Life's too short. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 01/18/2007 : 10:48:28 AM
Agreed.
Just to reiterate to my fellow guitarist, Silky, I never said 24 was propoganda, though my point at large being is that this kind of PROGRAM which millions are riveted to and talk about by the watercooler is yet another way to take away from actual dialogue about what is really going on. Sports, reality TV, and political/police/hospital dramas have essentially sucked the collective conscience dry and left us for dead. |
| Silky The Pimp |
Posted - 01/18/2007 : 09:01:02 AM
Haha Dan I just meant that you can look into Star Wars and see parallels to today's politics if you want to... I love those movies.
This link pretty much sums up 24, its perceived peers in entertainment, and how seriously you should take it with regards to how it relates to the current political climate in Iraq:
http://www.maximonline.com/slideshows/index.aspx?imgCollectId=146&src=mx1181 |
| dan p. |
Posted - 01/17/2007 : 11:56:49 PM
that's fine, hrw. i guess the problem is i can't really relate to that sentiment, because i don't really care about what other people watch. you do, and that works for you. it just isn't how i roll. i believe silky raises good points, though. except that star wars thing. one day you'll feel the power of the force. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 01/17/2007 : 10:02:34 PM
I'd be entirely pleased to be in a world where this kind of show isn't watched by millions. Bottom line for me. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 01/17/2007 : 8:41:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
i see. bush was re-elected, and that's your proof that more than 50% of america is stupid. i'm going to ignore the apparent arrogance suggested by saying people are stupid because they vote for someone you didn't. i'm also going to abstain from pointing out that voting doesn't fucking matter, and that we didn't "elect" him to his first time anyway. instead, all i'm going to say is that judging how smart someone is by who they vote for, soley, is by itself embarassingly stupid. if that's your criterion, it's insufficient.
I suppose one could make the argument that the IQ's of the red states in the last presidential election were lower than those of the blue states on average, but I wouldn't. I think there's no call to bring up intelligence because voting for someone isn't really a matter of intelligence, it's a matter of information they can obtain and policy support. However the voting populous is under informed and mis-informed. So take from that what you will.
I personally don't know why people would watch 24 because IMO it isn't good tv. However we have to realize that even superman back in the day was basically a hero to save us from nazi's and then commies. So does our entertainment reflect the thought control placed on this society? I don't see how you could come up with any answer but yes. |
| Silky The Pimp |
Posted - 01/17/2007 : 7:06:06 PM
Man, what ever happened to letting fiction being fiction?
It's kind of hard to take the idea that the show promotes the "war on terror" seriously given that it went into production long before 9/11 even occurred. It's a concept show that predates the war that you (and apparently some others) say it promotes. The concept works because it's something that DOES hit close to home. The purpose is not making people paranoid to go out of their homes because of crippling fear of terrorism, thereby supporting the war in Iraq. It uses terrorism instead of, say, a bank robbery, because a terrorist attack is much larger in scale so it makes the viewer care about the actions of the characters that much more. What makes for more entertaining TV, cops trying to stop a crew of bank robbers from robbing a bank, or a superhero trying to stop a nuclear bomb from detonating in Los Angeles? One is more compelling than the other and it has NOTHING to do with republicans or democrats or the current political climate in Iraq. That's the big draw to the show. Each hour in the unfolding day finds a new lead to preventing a catastrophe. You don't watch it because you're afraid of terrorism, you watch it because you want to see how the plot unfolds, just like any other serialized TV show. The other big draw to the show, which has nothing to do with politics, is the fact that no character, save for Jack Bauer himself, is safe. They off main characters like the Star Trek guys in red uniforms. You really never know what they're going to do next with regards to both plot and characters, which keeps things interesting. Again, this has NOTHING to do with your political views.
When it all comes down to it, it's a cops and robbers show, except instead of robbers you have extremists and instead of cops you have CTU. It's good guys vs. bad guys. Jack Bauer isn't a right wing propagandist, he's a comic book hero. The ultimate patriot, super special forces badass, versed in multiple languages, dark past... he's the reluctant trigger happy action superhero that's so entertaining to watch. He's James Bond mixed with Rambo. He's not a realistic character and his motives have nothing to do with right vs. left, his only concern is averting the disaster at hand. Watch a season and this is extremely clear.
Whether your views do or do not support killing one person to save a million or torturous interrogation techniques in real life, it still has nothing to do with promoting a political agenda. Those are simply fictional aspects of the show. They're no more real than anything else on ANY show and again have nothing to do with anything except for ramping up the dramatic entertainment value.
You can draw whatever you want from the show if you look hard enough, though. You've covered right wing. Want left wing? The show started out with a BLACK democratic president who was portrayed as a god. He was eventually screwed by an unscrupulous republican rival. Last season and the season before, the new republican president was portrayed as an incompetent, corrupt moron who followed his own agenda. Sound familiar? Is 24 taking shots at Bush? You could say that a prevailing theme throughout the show's history is that democratic leadership is honest and true while republicans are corrupt and incompetent. This season we're onto our second BLACK democratic president. Maybe 24 is really left wing propaganda...
In reality, it's just the plots the writers wrote. There's no real-life politics going on here. It's make believe, just like Mary Poppins or Star Wars. If you had actually watched an entire season start to finish, you would understand. Everything on the show is about ramping up excitement, drama, and entertainment value. Listening to some left wing jackass who's watched an episode or two butchering plot details and interpreting anything he possibly can as being underhanded right wing propaganda in an interview does not represent the show as a whole, nor does any one 5 minute clip, or an entire episode, for that matter.
It's all just entertainment value and just like anything else, it requires you to suspend belief. Don't listen to all these batshit crazy conspiracy theorists that are convinced that every fictional piece of work contains deep political messages. They don't. Seriously. Be entertained by things that are meant to entertain you. You'll never enjoy anything if you're convinced everyone is trying to proselytize to you. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 01/17/2007 : 5:45:07 PM
i see. bush was re-elected, and that's your proof that more than 50% of america is stupid. i'm going to ignore the apparent arrogance suggested by saying people are stupid because they vote for someone you didn't. i'm also going to abstain from pointing out that voting doesn't fucking matter, and that we didn't "elect" him to his first time anyway. instead, all i'm going to say is that judging how smart someone is by who they vote for, soley, is by itself embarassingly stupid. if that's your criterion, it's insufficient.
"plus who knows how many other feeble minded citizens think that shit is pertinent." i don't know. neither do you. but if you wouldn't direct me to one of these psychological tests, i'd like to read about it. |
| rubylith |
Posted - 01/17/2007 : 5:23:05 PM
Is 24 Propaganda? Is The Pope Catholic?
Talking heads omit fact that U.S. government, Neo-Con ideologues met with cast members to run PR for war on terror
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Wednesday, January 17, 2007
To coincide with the start of a new season of Fox's much vaunted 24 program, MSNBC featured a debate asking whether the lead character, Jack Bauer, was a right-wing propagandist. What the talking heads and others that defend the neutrality of the show consistently fail to omit is the fact that 24 cast and crew members met with U.S. government officials and Neo-Con ideologues to run PR for the war on terror last year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iagkPq-7VSQ&eurl=
Those that defend the show against allegations that it is merely fearmongering propaganda used to prop up the facade of the "war on terror" either point to the wildly unrealistic tone of the plotlines or to examples where it isn't always Muslim jihadists behind the terror.
We can go back and forth all day discussing the intricacies of the plot, instances where the oil cartels are sponsoring the terror or certain individuals within the government turn heel and become bad guys. The majority of the American population do not watch entire episodes back to back for a whole day like some unfortunate souls choose to waste their time doing. The important aspect to make a judgment on is the impression that the show leaves as a whole and certain contextual storylines that are repeated in almost every episode.
This is what you come away with from catching a few minutes of 24, be it channel surfing or watching trailers - terrorists are everywhere and terror attacks are inevitably going to increase in both number and severity in the United States. The only way to stop terrorists is to violate the U.S. Constitution in a plethora of different ways and torture people into making confessions. In the current season, concentration camps are built to detain suspects.
No matter which way you slice it or dice it, that's what the average American gets out of 24.
Little surprise it is therefore that the U.S. government has chosen to attach itself to the show, a trend mimicked by Neo-Con ideologues.
In June 2006, Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff joined a panel of 24 cast and crew members at a Heritage Foundation event that was moderated by none other than hillbilly heroin popping Neo-Con talk show walrus Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh put the morning forum in jeopardy when he planted a kiss on the lips of 24 actress Mary Lynn Rajskub, causing the media in attendance to almost projectile vomit their breakfast.
The conference also featured numerous self-described national security experts and even Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. You can watch the two hour event by clicking here.
The scope of the event was supposedly to discern if 24 was like real counterterrorism efforts, which is like making the argument that Teen Wolf is an accurate portrayal of the NBA. Everyone knows 24 is over hyped and overblown but that's not the point of this debate. The more telling aspect of this visit was when Chertoff embraced and praised the actions of the characters fictionalized in the show as an example of the kind of dedication Homeland Security should be showing towards fighting terrorism (including presumably season one's patriotic scene where our hero Bauer cuts off a villain's head with a hacksaw).
We have Limbaugh tonguing the lead actress and Chertoff lauding the virtues of the show in a public speech - and yet some still argue it's not Neo-Con propaganda! What do they need as proof? George Bush having Kiefer Sutherland's baby?
The show is also embraced by Bush bootlickers such as Laura Ingraham, one of a gaggle of press whores recently invited to the White House to get their orders, who told Fox News that the average American's love of the show is a referendum for "tough tactics" (torture) against anyone considered to be with "Al Qaeda" whether they be American citizens or not.
In addition to tacit spoken approvals from Bush admin bigwigs, big budget film and television productions that make use of government and military facilities, technology and hardware have to acquiesce to on-site narks who vet the script and demand that changes are made unless the relevant agencies of the state are represented in a positive light, and there's no reason to conclude 24 is any different.
Whether by accident or design, 24 is indoctrinating a generation of Americans into believing that the future of the country will be characterized by paranoia, fear and mass terror, and that the only way to combat such chaos is to give the government unlimited power to "protect" us. Only the government itself can benefit from such brainwashing and that's why the Bush administration and 24 are joined at the hip in a coordinated propaganda assault against the American people.
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| Zachmozach |
Posted - 01/17/2007 : 2:38:44 PM
Exactly. That's just what I'm saying is that polls have shown that TV affects public opinion and that my empirical research says the exact same thing. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 01/17/2007 : 11:26:45 AM
Dan, I think it's become apparent that these PROGRAMS affect public opinion, see every poll done on psychological effects of television.
Americans re-elected Bush, there's your 50%, plus who knows how many other feeble-minded citizens think that shit is pertinent. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 01/17/2007 : 09:45:10 AM
fair question. no, i have not. here's another fair question, in the same sort of vein: do you know over 50% percent of the us population? because if you don't, then it would seem like you're making a huge assumption about millions of people you've never met. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 01/16/2007 : 7:10:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
i, too, think that people need to lighten up on tv. it's like anything. fine in moderation, dangerous in large quantities. also, who is stupid enough to allow fiction like 24 influence their opinions on real things? besides children, i mean. and, if some people are that stupid, their original ideas and opinions probably weren't worth a damn to begin with.
The majority of the US population. Seriously have you been out lately? |
| rubylith |
Posted - 01/16/2007 : 6:35:29 PM
They call TV Programming for a reason. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 01/16/2007 : 3:17:17 PM
i, too, think that people need to lighten up on tv. it's like anything. fine in moderation, dangerous in large quantities. also, who is stupid enough to allow fiction like 24 influence their opinions on real things? besides children, i mean. and, if some people are that stupid, their original ideas and opinions probably weren't worth a damn to begin with. |
| therippa |
Posted - 01/16/2007 : 1:25:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by tericee
They don't call TV the idiot box for nothing.
Note: I *love* TV, so I hope nobody gets all offended.
Please stop spreading your anti-tv propaganda
And to lighten things up, I read this on another forum and thought it was pretty funny...
"Poor Jack must think 'Why does everything fucked up have to happen right before the top of the hour, 24 times a day?'
You'd think he'd see the pattern here...." |
| tericee |
Posted - 01/16/2007 : 12:48:22 PM
They don't call TV the idiot box for nothing.
Note: I *love* TV, so I hope nobody gets all offended. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 01/16/2007 : 12:02:25 PM
quote:
The problem stands: 24 depicts a world which is very closely parallel to the world that which our government seeks to create, though unfortunately only depicting a famous American half-truth version of it. These are the kind of mindless yet thought-manipulating types of PROGRAMS that have resulted in the collective mental landslide we find ourselves adrift in today.
You can rationalize to me all day how it's Hollywood, fiction, etc. However, you cannot deny the obvious shift toward 'politically timely' PROGRAMMING on television and its effect on public opinion. Even if there were no ties between major media conglomerates and the U.S government (?!), the media could still be easily construed as having the same vested interest in feebler American minds.
Let's play devil's advocate here, let's say the media is acting as its own ballistic missle. Isn't there still a huge argument against the kind of pre-packaged mindlessly violent garbage that spews forth from multi-million dollar studios? Have we totally lost our humanity? Have we lost our sense of wonderment about existence to the point where all we want to see is life extinguished? Are we a virus?
I didn't use the word propaganda, and I don't think any of you viewers adressed the problem of the general mental anchor this kind of PROGRAM sets in the mind, creating an overwhelmingly American problem: lack of creativity in all things. |
| tericee |
Posted - 01/16/2007 : 11:13:49 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Arthen
And Band of Brothers being propaganda? I look at it as a character drama about the horrors of war and the men trapped in it and how they related and function with one another.
I'd like to understand that opinion as well.
In response to Silky, I think the definition of propaganda should be kept distinct from the degree to which is it used and for what purposes. (Attempt at an example of what I'm trying to say: A match is a fire and arson is a fire; one is certainly not a bad thing, while the other is a felony. But they both meet the definition of fire.) In the words of one British-American author, "Propaganda has a bad name, but its root meaning is simply to disseminate through a medium, and all writing therefore is propaganda for something. It’s a seeding of the self in the consciousness of others."
The American Heritage® Dictionary (Fourth Edition) defines "propaganda" as quote:
1. The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause. 2. Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda.
The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, describes "propaganda" as quote:
systematic manipulation of public opinion, generally by the use of symbols such as flags, monuments, oratory, and publications. Modern propaganda is distinguished from other forms of communication in that it is consciously and deliberately used to influence group attitudes; all other functions are secondary. Thus, almost any attempt to sway public opinion, including lobbying, commercial advertising, and missionary work, can be broadly construed as propaganda. Generally, however, the term is restricted to the manipulation of political beliefs. Although allusions to propaganda can be found in ancient writings (e.g., Aristotle’s Rhetoric), the organized use of propaganda did not develop until after the Industrial Revolution, when modern instruments of communication first enabled propagandists to easily reach mass audiences. The printing press, for example, made it possible for Thomas Paine’s Common Sense to reach a large number of American colonists. Later, during the 20th cent., the advent of radio and television enabled propagandists to reach even greater numbers of people. In addition to the development of modern media, the rise of total warfare and of political movements has also contributed to the growing importance of propaganda in the 20th cent. In What Is To Be Done? (1902) V. I. Lenin emphasized the use of “agitprop,” a combination of political agitation and propaganda designed to win the support of intellectuals and workers for the Communist revolution. Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini also used propaganda, especially in oratory, to develop and maintain the support of the masses. During World War II all the warring nations employed propaganda, often called psychological warfare, to boost civilian and military morale as well as to demoralize the enemy. The U.S. agency charged with disseminating wartime propaganda was the Office of War Information. In the postwar era propaganda activities continue to play a major role in world affairs. The United States Information Agency (USIA) was established in 1953 to facilitate the international dissemination of information about the United States. Radio Moscow, Radio Havana, and The Voice of America are just three of the large radio stations that provide information and propaganda throughout the world.
Based on the quote, the dictionary, or the encyclopedia, you could interpret almost anything in our information overloaded society as being propaganda. From blogs, to news, to movies, to mini-series. Al Gore's "An Uncomforable Truth" could be considered propaganda, as could Michael Crichton's "State of Fear." They just happen to be advocating opposite sides of the same debate.
So back to my original request for clarification... I suppose if you consider war-time memoirs to be "Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause" then it's propaganda too. I'm just curious what doctrine or cause you think they're advocating or opposing in "Band of Brothers." |
| Silky The Pimp |
Posted - 01/16/2007 : 08:49:25 AM
quote:
Originally posted by therippa
So...after seeing the premiere in it's entirety, I assure you the show is not promoting concentration camps.
President Palmer rejected the idea...it's his dickhead aide that is going behind his back to try to set them up.
And for the record, the premiere was awesome 
It was, indeed. The nuke really thickens the plot. It's assumed that no matter what, CTU is going to prevent whatever disaster seems imminent. This is the only show that keeps you on your toes like that. And to say that the show promotes concentration camps is every bit as absurd as it sounds. If anything, the show is going way out of its way, via Sandra Palmer, to denounce using civil detention camps and ethnic profiling. It's exactly the opposite of what this thread was started about.
This board seriously needs to lighten up on the use of the word "propaganda" too. Propaganda is what the Nazis used to get the entire country of Germany behind the idea of exterminating an entire religion, in REAL LIFE, not a fictional TV plot that happens to involve political figures or law enforcement. |
| rubylith |
Posted - 01/16/2007 : 06:40:07 AM
Is Fox Set To Blow The Nukes On '24'?
Drudge Report
Monday, January 15, 2007
As Washington continues to raise concerns about terror threats on The Homeland -- a recent CIA report outlined a scenerio of possible "series of explosions using 'low charge' nuclear weapons" -- Hollywood and FOX-TV are set to up the ante with the new season of 24!
Few outside of the 24 set know the exact details of the new season unfolding, but studio sources claim producers are pushing hard to take it radioactive this time -- and keep it there.
"Time to wake the country up!" a top FOX source told the DRUDGE REPORT over the weekend. "I do not think there has ever been TV done like this, the viewer is going to be completely riveted."
The source claims executives are prepared for any fallout from local municipalities that may be on the receiving end of plot turns and twists. How many cities 24 puts on 'nuke alert' is unclear.
FOX has set a highly-controversial espisode of 24 to air Monday night, opposite NBC's GOLDEN GLOBES.
In 2002, White House officials questioned the timing and release of PARAMOUNT's action movie SUM OF ALL FEARS -- a movie which depicts a nuclear bomb unleashed on an American sporting event!
One senior Bush official, who spoke to the DRUDGE REPORT at the time, claimed the movie crossed over the line of civic responsibility and commerce.
Developing...
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| therippa |
Posted - 01/16/2007 : 01:31:38 AM
So...after seeing the premiere in it's entirety, I assure you the show is not promoting concentration camps.
President Palmer rejected the idea...it's his dickhead aide that is going behind his back to try to set them up.
And for the record, the premiere was awesome |
| Arthen |
Posted - 01/12/2007 : 4:06:36 PM
I wouldn't disagree with you there Dan, unintentionally speaking, things can convey political messages, but often times it's the viewer that takes that from the show. If you look at anything hard enough you can get what you want from it.
I don't believe the writers of these television shows had any intention of promoting any kind of platform, especially an idea like concentration camps. They probably just came up with an idea and wrote it out.
And Band of Brothers being propaganda? I look at it as a character drama about the horrors of war and the men trapped in it and how they related and function with one another. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 10:59:46 PM
also, just because something isn't a political statement doesn't mean it won't produce effects of that nature. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 10:58:14 PM
there will be no badmouthing mr. sutherland here. he's doing the voice for raistlin majere in the dragonlance movie coming out this fall. |
| Katchoo |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 7:14:08 PM
I got hooked on 24 one day after a Chicago Bears game. Didn't expect that at all. Never wanted to see it before, but got totally sucked in...sat there for the whole two hour special.
I love Sex in the City...and I'm a feminist. Really didn't expect to get into that either. But what can I say...it grew on me.
I remember back in the day having to go see the movie Clueless. We were going to go see the movie Kids but one of my friends didn't have her ID...I think it was NC-17 so everyone got carded. I was so pissed about having to settle for Clueless. Ironically, it is easily one of my favorite movies. I've seen it a number of times. "She's like a full on Monet! From far away, it's OK, but up close, it's a big old mess."
Don't get me wrong...there are also some flicks I just can't get into because of the propaganda... Like Band of Brothers. Good God. Don't get me started...
Anybody else on here totally enjoy or find themselves entertained by something in spite of themselves?
: )
K. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 7:07:03 PM
The problem stands: 24 depicts a world which is very closely parallel to the world that which our government seeks to create, though unfortunately only depicting a famous American half-truth version of it. These are the kind of mindless yet thought-manipulating types of PROGRAMS that have resulted in the collective mental landslide we find ourselves adrift in today.
You can rationalize to me all day how it's Hollywood, fiction, etc. However, you cannot deny the obvious shift toward 'politically timely' PROGRAMMING on television and its effect on public opinion. Even if there were no ties between major media conglomerates and the U.S government (?!), the media could still be easily construed as having the same vested interest in feebler American minds.
Let's play devil's advocate here, let's say the media is acting as its own ballistic missle. Isn't there still a huge argument against the kind of pre-packaged mindlessly violent garbage that spews forth from multi-million dollar studios? Have we totally lost our humanity? Have we lost our sense of wonderment about existence to the point where all we want to see is life extinguished? Are we a virus? I certainly hope not.
Play music, see theater, read, hike, explore, get involved, GO! For the love of Pete, just stop wasting your valuable brain activity on useless nonsense like 24. |
| rubylith |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 4:46:54 PM
Dude I just saw that how funny...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16580872/ |
| gnome44 |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 2:48:30 PM
I usually avoid the politically heated posts, but this just came out today...
Rice 'loves' Fox News; CBS anchor 'decent guy'
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice let slip her news media preferences Thursday, saying, "I love every single one" of Fox News network's correspondents and also favors CBS anchor Harry Smith.
In comments overheard on an open microphone between morning television interviews, including one with Fox, the top U.S. diplomat said: "My Fox guys, I love every single one of them."
But Rice told an aide that when she was next in Iraq she would like to do a "one-on-one" interview with CBS "The Early Show" anchor Harry Smith.
"He's a decent guy. I know they are, like, 55 in the ratings, but I like him," Rice said in comments monitored by Reuters on a television feed.
Copyright 2007 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/11/rice.reut/index.html |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 12:17:12 PM
I have to say, I do like Keefer Sutherland. He is a good actor. I don't watch 24 because it's one of those shows that if you miss 1 eisode, you are lost (lost is another one too). Plus I spend more time playing guitar. I only throw it down for a new show if it's Family Guy or Dr Who.
. . . Monty Python and M*A*S*H too (but those are reruns) |
| Silky The Pimp |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 09:02:35 AM
quote:
Originally posted by rubylith
24 is the most watch show on television, and it is propaganda. It manipulates people's opinions and promotes putting people in consentration camps. It also promotes microchips and biometric I.D. cards. It's fucking garbage either way you look at it.
Dude, it's fiction. Not everything is a political statement! It deals with fictional attempts to assassinate a fictional president, set of bombs etc. by fictional terrorists and follows a fictional government agency as they try to prevent said attack. It doesn't manipulate anything nor does it promote anything. It's a serialized show like Lost or Prison Break. Are they on your hit list too? Is House really the personification of right wing views on war because he's an asshole? Also, have you ever actually watched a season of 24? The worst thing I've ever heard anyone say about it is my sister telling me she can't watch it because it's too intense and it makes her heart go wild.
Saying that 24 promotes concentration camps is like saying Lord of The Rings promoted segregation because all the midgets live separate from the rest of the world. They're both fiction, and if you think either is propaganda you're just reading way too much into it. |
| rubylith |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 08:34:35 AM
24 is the most watch show on television, and it is propaganda. It manipulates people's opinions and promotes putting people in consentration camps. It also promotes microchips and biometric I.D. cards. It's fucking garbage either way you look at it. |
| therippa |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 02:33:58 AM
quote:
Originally posted by rubylith
Or he doesn't realize that it is on Fox which is the government's right hand of propaganda.
I think there is a difference between Fox and Fox News. Family Guy, Simpsons, American Dad, Futurama, House, and shows on F/X like It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia (you guy's have to watch this) and Nip/Tuck don't exactly convey conservative viewpoints. |
| rubylith |
Posted - 01/10/2007 : 6:26:11 PM
Or he doesn't realize that it is on Fox which is the government's right hand of propaganda. |
| Arthen |
Posted - 01/10/2007 : 4:39:56 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hopeful Rolling Waves
Yeah man, it ain't cool, I wish Keifer Southerland had a fucking clue.
Whaddadouche!
Or he realizes he's an actor and that it's a television show. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 01/10/2007 : 1:58:03 PM
Yeah man, it ain't cool, I wish Keifer Southerland had a fucking clue.
Whaddadouche! |
| therippa |
Posted - 01/10/2007 : 12:45:17 PM
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Originally posted by rubylith
But think about all the unintelligent dimwits that watch that crap. So sad.
I'll agree with you on that...people (like my dad) see this as reality and use it as justification for Bush doing things like reading our mail. |
| rubylith |
Posted - 01/09/2007 : 8:04:11 PM
But think about all the unintelligent dimwits that watch that crap. So sad. |
| therippa |
Posted - 01/09/2007 : 7:18:58 PM
I have to put aside all of my political values and make full use of my suspension of disbelief to watch 24.
...but despite all of that, I love the show. |
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