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| Zachmozach |
Posted - 12/12/2006 : 8:56:43 PM
Saw it last night. The damn Mayans in that movie were crazy. Seriously crazy. I don't think that's probably exactly how it was, but if that was anything like how things were the Mayans were crazy. At least it was better than watching some jewish guy get tortured for forever. |
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| dan p. |
Posted - 12/15/2006 : 3:44:19 PM
most people who have some idea about the history of emo recognize rites of spring to be the first "emo" band, really.
emo shares more in common with hardcore punk than anything else. originally, the main difference was in lyrics, not so much performance. i don't know who here has ever been to a hardcore show, but they all get "emotional." not emotional used incorrectly as a synonym for "sad" but feeling whatever emotion, anger generally, intensely. it's been said that the difference between emotional hardcore and hardcore is being personally pathetic as opposed to politically pathetic, respectively. you'll hear the term "screamo" sometimes. i don't know what that's supposed to mean. emo lyrics were largely screamed, not sung, so i don't know what the term is trying to disambiguate. as time went on, you started getting bands like poison the well, from autumn to ashes, a jealousy issue, and so on, who mixed emo with metal. that was called metalcore. some people call those bands emocore.
now, though, "emo" doesn't really mean anything. basically, if your lead singer is kind of nerdy and/or has box frame glasses, you're called emo. allow me to clarify. weezer, afi, and alkaline trio are not emo. their style and music are unrelated to it. they're pop-rock. and, i cannot stress this enough. dashboard confessional is not emo. just because it's whiny, doesn't mean it's emo. i don't know where this came from. listen to a saetia song, then listen to a dashboard song. the difference is obvious. dashboard is also pop-rock. fans of bands like weezer, afi, taking back sunday and alkaline trio would resist this, because "pop rock" is a very broad genre and they find the idea of themselves listening to "mainstream" music distasteful. unfortunately, music is sound, and that's what that stuff sounds like. ergo, that's what it is. |
| jsemon2 |
Posted - 12/15/2006 : 2:48:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ranting Thespian
I also think that the Passion of the Christ wasn't that violent as people said.
are you out of your fucking mind? watch this clip, at four minutes in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwqkuCAsfb0
and they break down the violence at 6:00 mark |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 12/15/2006 : 2:37:01 PM
Oh god EMO... From wikipedia....
Emo is a subgenre of punk music. Since its inception, emo has come to describe several independent variations, linked loosely but with common ancestry. As such, use of the term has been the subject of much debate.
In its original incarnation, the term emo was used to describe the music of the mid-1980s Washington, DC scene and its associated bands. In later years, the term emocore, short for "emotional hardcore", was also used to describe the DC scene and some of the regional scenes that spawned from it. The term emo was derived from the fact that, on occasion, members of a band would become spontaneously and strongly emotional during performances. The most recognizable names of the period included Rites of Spring, Embrace, One Last Wish, Beefeater, Gray Matter, Fire Party, and, slightly later, Moss Icon. The first wave of emo began to fade after the breakups of most of the involved bands in the early 1990s.
Starting in the mid-1990s, the term emo began to reflect the indie scene that followed the influences of Fugazi, which itself was an offshoot of the first wave of emo. Bands including Sunny Day Real Estate and Texas Is the Reason put forth a more indie rock style of emo, more melodic and less chaotic in nature than its predecessor. The so-called "indie emo" scene survived until the late 1990s, as many of the bands either disbanded or shifted to mainstream styles.
As the remaining indie emo bands entered the mainstream, newer bands began to emulate the more mainstream style, creating a style of music that has now earned the moniker emo within popular culture. Whereas, even in the past, the term emo was used to identify a wide variety of bands, the breadth of bands listed under today's emo is even more vast, leaving the term "emo" as more of a loose identifier than as a specific genre of music.
I think we had a thread about this before and I'm unsure why the term emo is so in right now. |
| tericee |
Posted - 12/15/2006 : 07:25:54 AM
quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
the term "indie" used as a genre is worthless. short for "independent," it describes nothing about the art itself. take music for example. the term "heavy metal" describes that music. the term "rock and roll" describes that music. the term "techno/electronica" whatever they're calling it now, describes that music. then you get to indie. indie doesn't tell you anything about the music, only that it was not made with a major record label. technically any musician here who is unsigned is "indie." actually, every musician everywhere who isn't signed is indie. the word doesn't serve it's function at all.
Okay, while you're on this tangent, can anybody tell me what "Emo" is? I keep seeing it in print and I have no clue.
It may be that I will never understand since I have a history of not "getting it" where music types are concerned. I still can't name a single example of "House" music. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 12/15/2006 : 01:56:59 AM
the term "indie" used as a genre is worthless. short for "independent," it describes nothing about the art itself. take music for example. the term "heavy metal" describes that music. the term "rock and roll" describes that music. the term "techno/electronica" whatever they're calling it now, describes that music. then you get to indie. indie doesn't tell you anything about the music, only that it was not made with a major record label. technically any musician here who is unsigned is "indie." actually, every musician everywhere who isn't signed is indie. the word doesn't serve it's function at all.
and i think that's really telling, as far as the indie fanbase goes. they chose not to describe the music, but the business decision behind it. so much for liking music. |
| Arthen |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 11:23:49 PM
I don't know if you can rightfully call any move that gets a national distrubtor an "independent" film. That title "indie" always bothered me... |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 10:11:29 PM
If you want to seea movie with violence, but with more thought and beauty, see 28 Days Later.
Also, I know of a ton of independant films that are out there that I LOVE (like Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Being John Malcovich, Shadow of the Vampire, Garden State, Lost In Translation, Broken Flowers, the Life Aquatic, Hotel Rwanda, and a shit more)
Plus, there are 4 violent movies that are just fantastic:
Resivour Dogs
Pulp Fiction
Kill Bill Volume 1
Kill Bill Volume 2 |
| dan p. |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 12:43:22 PM
you're right, you're right. i hereby withdraw my comments about romantic comedy movies. romantic comedies have no place in a civilized society. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 12:22:36 PM
*board vomits profusely* |
| dan p. |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 10:38:16 AM
the choice, then, is pseudo-intellectual bullshit or violence. i've discovered that the only reason people tend to want to see independent films is so they can watch it and feel like they're smart, hit up whatever coffee shop is the hippest and talk to their friends about the really smart movie they saw. then they go home and chew on some crayons. please. save me from people like this.
that isn't to say independent films are all terrible. i've seen a couple good ones. but if you sit down and look at the total of shitty movies hollywood foists off on us, and the total of independent films, per one year, i think you'll find that the ratio of worthwhile movies to bad ones is about the same for both. it just depends on what you're bad taste is. some people have a bad taste for pretentious movies. others, like me, have a bad taste for violence. and then there's the romantic comedies. and for people on dates everywhere, what a treat it is. |
| Arthen |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 02:49:18 AM
Strumming my pain with his fingers... |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 12/14/2006 : 02:23:10 AM
You do have a point there. But, I normaly don't go and see super violent films unless there is something with them tha trumps it. There are too many stupid movies that are just violence for violence, nothing else. That's when you go see the independant films ;) . |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 12/13/2006 : 10:52:51 PM
I wasn't talking specifically making a documentary about Mayans.
I mean the violence, in general.
I don't care what the point behing the violence is, I am sick of seeing peoples' hearts and heads disembodied and all the fake horrible 'on-screen' pain. It's fucking lame, in any context. I am not physically sickened by these things, but do people really still wanna look at that when there's enough blood spilled on our real planet everyday?
Human evolution? What a paradox. |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 12/13/2006 : 8:23:43 PM
first of all, it's extremely hard to make a documentry about Mayans that has a lot of info. The reason why is that there is very little real info. Half of a Mayan documentry would be just guesses.
This is a fictional movie of what might have happened.
I also think that the Passion of the Christ wasn't that violent as people said. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 12/13/2006 : 2:59:39 PM
you're all forgetting one very important point: violence rules.
also, mel gibson is fucking batshit loco insane. |
| Arthen |
Posted - 12/13/2006 : 2:43:08 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hopeful Rolling Waves
Haven't we seen enough stupid violence, why do they keep making dopey shit like this. How about a documentary, instead of some bloodbath. Who cares!
I know that I was more impacted by watching Scheindler's List than a dozen WWII documentaries I'd seen. Sometimes films and art do a better job of reinforcing the horror and callousness of violence. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 12/13/2006 : 08:41:04 AM
Haven't we seen enough stupid violence, why do they keep making dopey shit like this. How about a documentary, instead of some bloodbath. Who cares! |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 12/12/2006 : 9:52:36 PM
that civilization is such a mystery. First very peaceful and knowledgable, then went crazy, then had all of their writings and almost all their history destroyed. |
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