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| Arthen |
Posted - 09/19/2006 : 05:31:35 AM
I know I'm gonna read it. Dan P. will probably read it. Anyone else interested in the forth coming "Children of Hurin"?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060918/ap_on_en_ot/books_new_tolkien_1 |
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| dan p. |
Posted - 09/21/2006 : 6:33:38 PM
here's why i don't like christopher tolkien: he fucking resists everything having to do with his fathers work. he didn't want the movies, the play, the musical or anything else. and yeah, i understand that he doesn't want to "dumb down" his father's magnificant work, or have his father's vision misinterpreted. ok. and if christopher tolkien ever wrote anything that wasn't directly related to his father's work, i'd allow him that. but all he does ride his father's coattails, denying anyone usage of those materials all the while cashing in on his father's work. i know he organized all tolkien's notebooks, and made sense of it for publication (the silmarillion is my favorite, too) but honestly? it's as he's saying "no one can do anything with middle earth but me, and no one can make money off it but me." |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 09/21/2006 : 03:37:18 AM
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Originally posted by tericee . . . Just remember this book was edited by his son; it could suck.
His son has edited about 15 books since his father died. The BIG one he did was, da da daaaaa THE SILMARILLION! Tolkien never got it quite finished. It started before anything to do with the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit.
He has done the histories of Middle Earth: Book of Lost Tales 1, Book Of Lost Tales 2, The Lays of Beleriand, The Shaping of Middle-Earth, and the Lost Road and Other Writings.
Then he did the histories of LOTR: The Return of the Shadow, The Treason of Isengard, The War of the Ring, and The End of the Third Age/Sauron Defetaed.
Then he did even more deeper stuff about the Early works (book of lost tales and such) as well as the more Definitave Silmarillion: Morgoth's Ring, The War of the Jewels, and the Peoples of Middle-Earth.
He also has done Unfinished Tales, and a few more. I haven't read EVERYTHING he has released, but from what I have read, he has done an AMAZING job. Also there was a book his father wrote for him when he was little: Roverandum.
He lives up to expectations, and sometimes suceeds. I have no doubt this book will be as well written and edited by his previous projects. |
| tericee |
Posted - 09/21/2006 : 02:55:44 AM
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Originally posted by Arthen
I was about to come into Radaghast's defence, but you beat me too it Dan! The Brown's a cool dude, he is even liked by Beorn. "A decent fellow, as wizard's go..." I believe is close to the quote.
I had an uncle with a cat named Radaghast; I always wondered where he got that...
I've never gotten as deep into Tolkien as you guys, but I think it's cool you're so jazzed. Just remember this book was edited by his son; it could suck. |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 09/21/2006 : 12:24:01 AM
there's a great site to get a whole lot of facts taken from tolkien's own writings, it's the Encyclopedia of Arda
http://www.glyphweb.com/ARDA/
here's some info on the tales of the childern of Hurin
http://www.glyphweb.com/ARDA/t/taleofthechildrenofhurin.html |
| Arthen |
Posted - 09/20/2006 : 11:52:15 PM
I was about to come into Radaghast's defence, but you beat me too it Dan! The Brown's a cool dude, he is even liked by Beorn. "A decent fellow, as wizard's go..." I believe is close to the quote. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 09/20/2006 : 11:10:40 PM
actually, the voice of sauron is a numenorean, one of the ones that were corrupted into sauron's service when he was "captured" and brought to numenor. apparently he didn't fall when tar-pharazon tried to take aman from the valar. how he escaped, or if he was with the fleet at all, i don't know. he certainly wasn't with sauron when the island drowned, or he would be dead. all that's known is he sustained his life, it's suggested, through sorcery.
yes, the easterlings didn't follow the other men into the west, and so when melkor gained dominance again, they fell under his shadow, and came into beleriand as a hostile force. one house particularly was insidious. the house of uldor, or some similar name. i don't have the book on me right now.
and radaghast the brown was never corrupted. he served saruman's purposes unwittingly, using birds he thought would keep watch on sauron's minions to spy on gandalf and relaying the message that gandalf was to see saruman. i believe saruman called him "radaghast the brown? radaghast the bird-tamer. radaghst the simple. radaghast the fool." even when the valar sent their emissaries, saruman, his right name being curumo, looked down on radaghast and envied gandalf (properly named olorin.) |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 09/20/2006 : 9:27:10 PM
*smacks pcbTIM with a large trout* |
| pcbTIM |
Posted - 09/20/2006 : 8:07:28 PM
There's a book about the Lord of the Rings movie? |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 09/20/2006 : 03:55:51 AM
I actualy have the Histories of Middle Earth 1-5 box set. I am just finishing up the Book of Lost Tales pt 2. Tolkien said that might have been a posibility that the wizards died (the wizards were actualy semi gods as well, sent in disguise, not to reveal themselves, and to help men and elves choose the path of good). The Brown wizard, though, was only mentioned so briefly, telling Gandalf to go see Saurmon (wiether he was corrupted by Sarumon yet or just relaying a messege, we never will know). Also, Easterlings are men that sided with Melkor/Morgoth at times, and later at times Sauron, but not always. They stayed behind while other men ventured twards the sea and beleriand (and some of the easterlings came to berliand in service of Morgoth/Melkor). Same with the Southern. Now, their leaders there, what was going on, their histories, their cities, what happened exactly to the Wizards, did the Voice of Sauron come from there? It's all a mystery. We know Aragorn went almost everywhere during his life (except for the undyling lands of the gods). But with Tolkien gone, and never finishing his world, all we can do is just look at the pieces that his son is giving us, and make our own judgement.
Also, yes I will be buying this book. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 09/20/2006 : 01:13:04 AM
tolkien suggests that the other 2 wizards went into the east and either were corrupted into serving sauron or started cults.
easterlings, i believe, and i could be wrong, were descendents of the houses of evil men who served morgoth in the first age. i could be wrong on that.
what i like about silmarillion is that it gives true depth to his other tales. when you read the hobbit, elrond is there, and he talks about gondolin, and throughout the lord of the rings, there are those references to the previous ages. but rather than simply making those references to a history that was never created to make the illusion of depth, he actually had all of those stories. and not only that, those stories preceeded the hobbit and lotr. you can see how perfect and how vast his creation was.
and from a mythology stand point, you can have a lot of fun dissecting the influences of it. is it very christian, or is more norse, or greco/roman? and really it's all perspective. you could view eru as god and the valar as archangels, and the maiar as less choirs of angels. manwe could be likened to jesus (i always argue that gandalf is more like jesus in everything but stature of being) and melkor, the fallen vala (archangel) is clearly a satan figure. but then you could view in in terms of polytheism. eru is the king of gods, who does little overtly to influence the earth, and each vala is a god, with his own domain he rules over. irmo is hades or pluto, aule is hephetitus/vulcan ulmo is neptune/posiden, ect. with the maiar being lesser spirits like the oceanids. the idea of heroes coming back from a hall for the slain is norse, ragnorak, and such a final battle is implied by tolkien. |
| Ranting Thespian |
Posted - 09/19/2006 : 10:08:56 PM
I always wanted to know more about the Easterlings, and what happened to the other 3 Wizards. Tolkien himslef says he didn't know, but the ones who went to the east probably failed.
Also, out of all the books Tolkien did, the SIlmarillion is my favorite! |
| Arthen |
Posted - 09/19/2006 : 6:48:48 PM
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Originally posted by dan p.
I SAID FUCK YYYEEEEEEAAAAAHHHHH!
there have been shorter versions in the silmiarillion, and it's gone over a little more in unfinished tales, i think, called something like "narn i nin hurin." but a full fuckin book? oh man. i'm amp. and i ever amped.
Yeah me too. I can't wait to see how it compares to the bits in Silmarillion/Unfinished. Should be fantastic. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 09/19/2006 : 5:32:15 PM
I SAID FUCK YYYEEEEEEAAAAAHHHHH!
there have been shorter versions in the silmiarillion, and it's gone over a little more in unfinished tales, i think, called something like "narn i nin hurin." but a full fuckin book? oh man. i'm amp. and i ever amped. |
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