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| rubylith |
Posted - 09/09/2005 : 7:39:14 PM
READ IT HERE WITH LINKS TO PROOF AND PICUTRES....
http://prisonplanet.com/Pages/090905levees.htm
Locals, Officials Suggest Levees were Intentionally Blown
Evidence suggests there were "cracks" in levees that were intentionally ignored, questions over how they failed.
Steve Watson/Prisonplanet | September 9 2005
Could the levees in New Orleans have been INTENTIONALLY blown out in order to provide the justification for total FEMA federal takeover?
The locals certainly seem to think so, yet, as usual, the mainstream media is barely picking up on this wave of opinion, so it is left to us once again to bring the issue into the open.
This website distances itself from claims that the levees were blown to target the lower class areas and save the richer areas. The fact is that the disaster affected everyone, and now that the lower classes have largely been evacuated, the middle class are being targeted by door to door raids. Jack booted thugs are arresting people if they don't leave and confiscating their firearms.
When Katrina hit, it drifted 15 miles to the east of where forecasters said it would strike. Therefore it wasn't quite the monster described. The storm passed through with relatively minor damage, it was the the storm surge from the Gulf that caused Lake Pontchartrain to rise three feet and the subsequent flooding.
Katrina hit early on Monday 29th August, the levees broke in three places - along the Industrial Canal, the 17th Street Canal, and the London Street Canal. (Click here for a Map )
The main storm surge from Hurricane Katrina washed into Lake Pontchartrain at around 7AM on August 29th when the counterclockwise motion of Katrina was pushing water from the Gulf of Mexico into the lake.
Some are questioning the timeline of the levee failures, suggesting that there was a 21 hour discrepancy between the storm surge and the collapse of the levees . This is not the case. The first levee broke just a few hours after the hurricane hit on the same morning.
This confusion may have arisen due to the fact that Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff has said that the levees broke overnight between Monday-Tuesday, and that he was not informed of this til midday Tuesday.
The breach of the 17th Street Canal levee resulted in the failure of a crucial pumping station nearby, according to a statement made by New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin.
However, it seems that this exact scenario was expected and ignored. In an interview with New Orleans radio station local radio station WWL-AM, Nagin revealed how irate he was that this had been allowed to happen:
Nagin: You know what really upsets me, Garland? We told everybody the importance of the 17th Street Canal issue. We said, "Please, please take care of this. We don't care what you do. Figure it out."
WWL: Who'd you say that to?
Nagin: Everybody: the governor, Homeland Security, FEMA. You name it, we said it. And they allowed that pumping station next to Pumping Station 6 to go under water. Our sewage and water board people ... stayed there and endangered their lives. And what happened when that pumping station went down, the water started flowing again in the city, and it starting getting to levels that probably killed more people. In addition to that, we had water flowing through the pipes in the city. That's a power station over there. So there's no water flowing anywhere on the east bank of Orleans Parish. So our critical water supply was destroyed because of lack of action.
It has emerged though that some kind of work was carried out on the 17th Street Canal levee. Reports have suggested that the funding was not there to complete the job, but some work had been done:
"The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late. One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer was a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach on Monday."
Of course we know that it was the White House that slashed funding for such projects in order to pump more money into the war in Iraq.
According to the New York Times, Dr. Shea Penland of the Pontchartrain Institute was surprised because the break was "along a section that was just upgraded. It did not have an earthen levee, it had a vertical concrete wall several feet thick."
It also seems that the broken section of the Industrial Canal levee was having "construction" work done on it recently.
New York Times science reporter Dr. Andrew Revkin has stated of the 17th Street Canal that "officials and [Army Corps] engineers said that after they had found the widening gap in the concrete wall on the eastern side of the canal, they had no quick-response plan to repair it."
Lt. Gen. Carl A. Strock, commander of the corps, said "plugging the gap was a lower priority." The corps is directed by FEMA. "It is FEMA who is really calling the shots and setting priorities here,"
Alfred C. Naomi, a senior project manager for the corps, was quoted in the same article as saying "there were still no clear hints why the main breach in the flood barriers occurred along the 17th Street Canal, normally a conduit for vast streams of water pumped out of the perpetually waterlogged city each day and which did not take the main force of the waves roiling the lake. He said that a low spot marked on survey charts of the levees near the spot that ruptured was unrelated and that the depression was where a new bridge crossed the narrow canal near the lakefront."
This would refute the speculation that a dip in the retaining levee or walls might have allowed water to slop over and start the collapse. So we have an unexplained crack in several feet of concrete. FEMA decided not to plug it and let the water flow until a US city was flooded and thousands had drowned.
Dynamite? History repeating itself?
Many locals have come forward to suggest that the levees were breached on purpose by the authorities. Resident Andrea Garland, now re-located to Texas, wrote in her blog:
"Also heard that part of the reason our house flooded is they dynamited part of the levee after the first section broke - they did this to prevent Uptown (the rich part of town) from being flooded. Apparently they used too much dynamite, thus flooding part of the Bywater. So now I know who is responsible for flooding my house - not Katrina, but our government."
This scenario is not so crazy as it sounds, in fact this exact thing has happened before in the same city. In 1927, the Mississippi River broke its banks in 145 places, depositing water at depths of up to 30ft over 27,000 square miles of land.
The disaster changed American society, shifting hundreds of thousands of delta-dwelling blacks into northern cities and cementing the divisions and suspicions that benign neglect has ensured remain today. New Orleans’ (mainly white) business class pressurized the state to dynamite a levee upstream, releasing water into (mainly black) areas of the delta. Black workers were forced to work on flood relief at gunpoint, like slaves.
Two parishes, St. Bernard and Plaquemines, which had a combined population of 10,000, were destroyed. Just before Katrina, these parishes had about 10 times the 1927 population. Both parishes are now under many feet of water.
This information is covered in depth in a book by John M. Barry entitled Rising Tide: The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 and how it Changed America, 1997 which has incidentally become heavily in demand after Katrina.
Furthermore, levees were also intentionally broke after Hurricane Betsy struck New Orleans in 1965, admittedly with less of an impact. The tactic of breaking the dikes is not uncommon, as this CNN report on China's flood plains highlights.
Engineers have now punched holes in several levees in parts of New Orleans where flood levels were higher than the water in drainage canals leading to Pontchartrain, in order to let water flow out.
Explosions?
There were reports of many explosions heard in New Orleans, officials say they were transformers blowing up. Total Information Analysis has reported a claim by intelligence expert Tom Heneghen that 25 earwitnesses cited explosions immediately before the levee breach.
Similar reports are now appearing in many web blogs:
"He also mentioned that right before the mass flood there was a loud sound like an explosion." - News from St. Bernard
"I'll tell you the worst thing I've heard and I heard it from my mother. She said she heard several blasts - big booms - right before the levees broke. Several blasts and then all the water came pouring in." - aangirfan
Although these are obviously not authoritative sources of information, it is interesting to note how many local people are reporting this. So interesting in fact that the mainstream has picked up on it in places.
The Washington Post reported on the comments of a retired school teacher:
"Mullen has a schoolteacher's kindly demeanor, so it was jarring to hear him say he suspected that the levee breaks had somehow been engineered to keep the wealthy French Quarter and Garden District dry at the expense of poor black neighborhoods like the Lower Ninth Ward -- a suspicion I heard from many other black survivors."
The Globe and Mail is also carrying a similar story.
ABC World News Tonight carried a report which contained an interview with a local, who described how a floating barge had rammed the levee. The man seemed convinced that the levee was purposefully broken. A transcript of which has appeared on the net:
David Muir: “Was it solely the water that broke the levee? Or was it the force of this barge that now sits where homes once did? Joe Edwards says neither. People are so bitter, so disenfranchised in this neighborhood, they actually think the city did it, blowing up the levee to save richer neighborhoods, like the French Quarter.”
Muir to Edwards as they stand on a bridge: “So you're convinced-”
Edwards: “I knows it happened.”
Muir: “-that they broke the levee on purpose?”
Edwards: “They blew it.”
Muir: “New Orleans’ Mayor says there's no credence to this.”
Mayor Ray Nagin: “That storm was so powerful and it pushed so much water -- there's no way anyone could have calculated -- would dynamite the levee to have the kind of impact to save the French Quarter.”
Muir concluded: “An LSU expert who looked at the video today, says that while the barge may have caused it, it was most likely the sheer force of the water that brought the levee, along the lower 9th ward, down.”
The mysterious barge story has also been reported by many other local residents. "The evacuees who witnessed the barge striking the levee also want to know why the major media is not covering this story."
The London Observer carried an intriguing story of a man named Correll Williams, a 19-year-old meat cutter. The article states that:
"Williams only left his apartment after the authorities took the decision to flood his district in an apparent attempt to sluice out some of the water that had submerged a neighbouring district. Like hundreds of others he had heard the news of the decision to flood his district on the radio. The authorities had given people in the district until 5pm on Tuesday to get out - after that they would open the floodgates."
Some final intriguing footage reveals a journalist questioning former President Bill Clinton as to why many locals feel that the levees were purposefully broken.
This was during the press conference with Clinton and George Bush Snr announcing their combined "relief effort" for New Orleans. Ignore the first 15 minutes of sickening joking and backslapping between the two and skip to the last minute of footage. Upon hearing the question Clinton appears to be surprised and then simply walks off.
Click here to view the footage
Click here to listen to an MP3 of the last 30 seconds
We will track this story as it develops and cover any further updates.
Related:
FEMA Deliberately Sabotaging Hurricane Relief Efforts
Government Sabotage Of Hurricane Katrina Relief Efforts
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| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 09/19/2005 : 5:24:04 PM
That quote about democracy was Winston Churchill, Davis. You gotta lay off the PBR. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 09/19/2005 : 4:13:29 PM
we've talked about human overpopulation before, and when you combine that notion with this, it seems like maybe it isn't so bad after all. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 09/19/2005 : 3:09:06 PM
Point taken on the natural thing. I should rephrase, but I'm not going to.
The earth will be fine, but I'm concerned with, will the creatures of the earth be fine? If we continue the pollution the earth will react and then it's up to us to try to surrvive and maybe we will or won't, but if we fuck up the earth much more there are going to be a lot less humans around. Plus it's sad that if we do leave this earth we totally fucked up the bio-diversity. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 09/19/2005 : 01:30:15 AM
the earth can and probably will right itself again, if the greenhouse effect gets out of hand.
on another note, i'd like to talk about the word "natural." it would seem to me that if you consider man not above nature, but a part of nature, an animal, then you would have to accept man's actions on the same level you would accept the actions of any other animal. i've never heard anyone say than some other animal was doing something "unnatural." to my way of thinking, if we are a part of nature, then everything we do, including the 6.5 billion tons of co2 we put into the air, has to be accepted as natural. i don't know where the idea came from that says "natural" is another word for "not of humans." if some other animals started doing damaging things to earth, would you call those things unnatural? logically, unless you believe humans to be somehow above nature, you would have to except our actions as natural. detrimental maybe, but not unnatural. |
| Zachmozach |
Posted - 09/16/2005 : 4:51:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
i would be more inclined to have aliens run things.
They are. Not in the Sci-Fi way, but we have people in power who not only don't believe in dinosaurs exist, but have the conception that earth is not their home and that they'll leave it sometime in the future after they die or what ever. Anyone who is christian is an alien, or at least they believe they are.
On the topic of global warming, it's not something to believe in or not. It's happening. The earths oceans are warming up, the glaciers are shrinking, etc. The only thing debatable is how much humans had an effect on this. They have however found air pockets in glaciers that are very, very old and they studied the air contained within and found that there are way more greenhouse gasses in the air. Anyone who does not think that we are not having some sort of effect on earths climate has not ever been to houston, or LA. The new theory on what killed off the dinosaurs is basically that a bunch of gasses where released probably from the ocean floor causing the earth to warm, and make the earth uninhabitable for so many species. That was the earth. We however are creating these by burning fossil fuels etc.
Also the arguement used by most people who think it's natural is that because it's happened naturally before and because the earth naturally goes through periods of being warmer and colder, it means that this must also be natural. It's not exactly logical. If we dump 6.5 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere every year that's probably a few billion more than the earth gets at a normally meaning that we are having an effect on the earths temperature. It's not a hard thing to figure out. More greenhouse gases make the earth warmer, and we are dumping 3 times what is normally there causing temperatures to slowly rise. It's not exactly disputable. |
| pants_happy |
Posted - 09/16/2005 : 1:29:04 PM
someone also said "please donate to pants_happy's new computer fund," in which case, i'd have to agree with the speaker. DONATE NOW! |
| rubylith |
Posted - 09/16/2005 : 1:24:31 PM
someone once said, democracy is the worst form of government, after all the others. |
| pants_happy |
Posted - 09/16/2005 : 1:03:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by dan p.
global warming isn't a theory. it's a fucking fact of life.
i've seen it argued that it doesn't exist by some very informed scientific minds. here's one example:
http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?showtopic=33345&hl=
check out the posts by taks.
now he hints that global warming is agenda driven, and relevant or not, would it surprise you or not if i were to tell you that he is very far to the right?
(btw, i'm just posting this to show that even something like global warming is argued about.) |
| dan p. |
Posted - 09/15/2005 : 8:27:14 PM
yeah, thanks for telling everyone what i'll reject as far as theories go. global warming isn't a theory. it's a fucking fact of life. it's a fact of life in the truest sense because, if you know anything about greenhouse effect, you'd know that it's a partial greenhouse effect that makes life possible at all. if there were no global warming and green house effect at all, the earth would retain almost no heat. it would radiate it all back off. right now, there's partial greenhouse effect, and it might start to get out of hand. before, around the time of the dinosaurs, it was greater than it is now. venus, on the other hand, has an extreme case, because all of the greenhouse gases locked up in its rock material has entered the atmophere through volcanic activity. we're doing a similar thing now with fossil fuel, but on not as big a level.
so yeah. greenhouse effect "theory."
on governments. you say democracy will never work, and i won't disagree. but i challenge you to find one that does. there is none because people can't fucking handle it at all. i would be more inclined to have aliens run things. |
| Arthen |
Posted - 09/15/2005 : 7:12:55 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hopeful Rolling Waves
Can we trust a nation rife with materialists that universally knows almost nothing about it's countries governing bodies and actions to elect a President anymore? Can we put faith in a in an upcoming generation of socially lethargic minds who could care less who's manning the Department of Defense, allocating their federal tax dollars, teaching their children about "Intelligent Design" theories? Can we trust an administration that combats true science with "sound science", and administration loaded with special interests, an administration who sends Afghan warlords instead of our own military after a man who allegedly killed 3000 American citizens, an administration who knowingly through FEMA rejected gas, food, and water to needy New Orleans souls, an administration who's goal for Congress last week, had the hurricane not hit, was to abolish the Estate Tax...yet another bit of legislation that benefits only the nation's richest occupants.
Mmm...no, I don't think so. I am alive...how about you?
This goes towards why I believe democracies are the weakest form of Government, and Plato would gladly back me up.
Two words: Enlightened Despot. It's what we need and I'm right here. |
| Hopeful Rolling Waves |
Posted - 09/15/2005 : 4:16:41 PM
Dan P. will forever condemn the global warming "theory" as well, Davis. All hope is lost.
Denial ain't just a river in Africa, it has become the American way of life...and spreading globally quickly.
Invoking one of my favorite quotes from Waking Life: "What is the most universal human characteristic: fear or laziness?" I think it's a fat fucking fistful of both. We've all been stripped of our dreams of a truely free and socially democratic nation by the "buffet of lies" we've all been given a free pass to. If ignorance is bliss, then America is a euphoric utopia.
Can we trust a nation rife with materialists that universally knows almost nothing about it's countries governing bodies and actions to elect a President anymore? Can we put faith in a in an upcoming generation of socially lethargic minds who could care less who's manning the Department of Defense, allocating their federal tax dollars, teaching their children about "Intelligent Design" theories? Can we trust an administration that combats true science with "sound science", and administration loaded with special interests, an administration who sends Afghan warlords instead of our own military after a man who allegedly killed 3000 American citizens, an administration who knowingly through FEMA rejected gas, food, and water to needy New Orleans souls, an administration who's goal for Congress last week, had the hurricane not hit, was to abolish the Estate Tax...yet another bit of legislation that benefits only the nation's richest occupants.
Mmm...no, I don't think so. I am alive...how about you? |
| rubylith |
Posted - 09/15/2005 : 1:00:48 PM
hahaha |
| Arthen |
Posted - 09/15/2005 : 12:33:41 PM
Well if Louis Farrakhan is on board, it must be true! |
| rubylith |
Posted - 09/15/2005 : 11:28:03 AM
Wednesday, Sept. 14, 2005 8:06 p.m. EDT
Louis Farrakhan: Levees Were 'Blown Up'
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/9/14/201055.shtml
Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan is telling his followers that the levees in New Orleans may have been deliberately "blown up" to kill the city's black population.
The influential preacher was in Charlotte, North Carolina, on Monday, where he detailed his Hurricane Katrina conspiracy theory.
"I heard from a very reliable source who saw a 25 foot deep crater under the levee breach," Farrakhan explained. "It may have been blown up to destroy the black part of town and keep the white part dry."
Farrakhan didn't say who he thought was behind the plot to blow up New Orleans' levees.
The Muslim minister also blasted both FEMA and the Red Cross, saying their response to Katrina victims after the levees were blown up was inadequate
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| rubylith |
Posted - 09/15/2005 : 09:14:17 AM
aww man thanks a lot. I appreciate that very much.
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| OnlySuperstition |
Posted - 09/12/2005 : 1:26:51 PM
Dave,
For one young guy have you have a lot of thought. So far you have me as a believer. After the "Loose Change" vid i am a believer.
I dont know if any of you message barders know but Dave is some hell of a musician. Not only is he fantastic on the axe but his stage presence is unbelievable. He has a true talent that you should all get the chance to see if your in the Jersey area... Keep up the good work |
| pants_happy |
Posted - 09/10/2005 : 3:25:36 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050910/pl_nm/contracts_dc
i'm not saying that the above has anything to do with conspiracies whatsoever. i would actually be shocked if the above didn't happen. |
| rubylith |
Posted - 09/10/2005 : 01:41:14 AM
i totally agree, but do take note on the details.
we will see what else because mainstream news and widely accepted.
but a few guys will go down, however, there are 10,000 poor souls lost.
they were abondoned and put in a camp.
posse comantatus does not exist anymore.
that is very disturbing and I would not be suprised that the worst natural disaster in american history would be used for government gain.
just listen to what the local police say down there, they caught FEMA cutting the communication lines and broke the levees.
they jammed everything and you're right it doesnt add up.
you are also right they are not supernatural in any sense, they do make mistakes, and now they have. blantant obvious errors and sabotage.
watch the police state increase and the tacticts become colder.
those people are gone and it is so devestating.
and if you have never been to New Orleans, it is in my opinion one of the great places in the country, especially for music.
FEMA will be exposed.
New Orleans was the only completely federalized city in the country. |
| dan p. |
Posted - 09/09/2005 : 8:57:21 PM
actually, i heard the hurricane was a top secret cia army miliary nwo superweapon.
i guess they're waiting to put the proof in another article. all i see here are things we already know (funds cut in favor of the war) earwitnesses who we don't know to be able to recognize the sonic signature of dynomite as compared to, you know, any other loud noise at a distance, and pictures of the city with circles which not only don't prove anything, but don't even clearly tell what they're trying to prove.
think about it. why would people who want to keep their machinations a secret use dynomite on a new part of the fortifications? why wouldn't they just detonate the older part to make it look natural? if they could brainwash a country, execute 9/11 undectected by and large, they would fuck up by being so obvious. it doesn't add up. none of it adds up.
look. being heads up about things is good. but every sisterfucking time something happens and someone dies, or a building blows up, doesn't mean that it was some step in a masterplan to dominate america and the world. i hate to keep bringing things back to star wars, but this is the american government we have, not the sith. i'm not saying they can't be devious and clever, because they can, but not that clever.
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