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Erich
Fluffy-Esque
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Anne-Sophie
Is Anybody Here?
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Erich
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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 Posted - 04/11/2003 : 6:08:54 PM
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thats what im asking  the one that says unknown piece. |
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Anne-Sophie
Is Anybody Here?
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2003 : 6:31:34 PM
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| I'm confused as to which mp3... |
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Erich
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1427 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2003 : 6:40:40 PM
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| theyre all the same song, everything thats under "unknown piece". the one on the bottom is... i think Radar Contact -> BBoHA |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2003 : 12:36:08 AM
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Erich I am glad you have not given up on this one because it has been driving me absolutely crazy!!!!!!
Guess Jon doesn't know it? I KNOW I heard this before but can't get past the Sergovia thing to think about who it is?????
Please, someone must know this song!!!! |
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Saint Jude
Alien Abductee
USA
2144 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2003 : 01:09:13 AM
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Remember, turn off your tv. Read. |
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toulon99
Is Anybody Here?
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Posted - 04/12/2003 : 4:48:59 PM
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Erich,
I just sent the link to my friend who is a brilliant and moderately famous classical pianist. he should be able to name that tune!
I will let you know what he says.
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Erich
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1427 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2003 : 4:54:13 PM
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kick ass. thanks James  |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2003 : 5:29:09 PM
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WOW James, ever since Erich posted this months ago, I have been going crazy with that piece because I know it but can't for the life of me think what it is called or where I heard it! I am praying your friend will know what the name of that piece is!
You have no idea how many hours I have spent checking out classical pieces!
Thanks, Pam |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Anne-Sophie
Is Anybody Here?
USA
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Posted - 04/13/2003 : 3:25:33 PM
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From Tatsuya,
"Hey James. It is based on some kindda Baroque
music.... Sounds like Bach's menuet but not quite
that... Could be arrangement or smilar piece by him."
we have one other person we are going to hit up for their expertise. Let you know what we find. |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2003 : 4:38:43 PM
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| It would be great to know what is the name of the "Classical Piece". Might Fluffy ask Tim? |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2003 : 6:42:42 PM
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| I could be wrong but I thought even TIM couldn't remember what it was called? I thought Fluffy thought Jon Soldo might know but I never heard from Jon about it. Could you set me straight Erich???? Thanks |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Erich
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1427 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2003 : 8:12:01 PM
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Originally posted by Arthen
It would be great to know what is the name of the "Classical Piece". Might Fluffy ask Tim?
yeah, i asked tim and he forgot the name of it He said it was something segovia played, though it was last september and my memory of what he said is starting to haze. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2003 : 9:24:34 PM
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| I thought it was Segovia too but I went though tons of songs and didn't come across it! Ahhhh I sure hope SOMEONE will answer this one! It is such a beautiful song! |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Lindalu
Try A Little Harder
USA
71 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2003 : 6:44:59 PM
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| Okay, if you're still trying to figure this out, I'm going to give it a guess.When I listened to the song (it is very pretty), I knew I had heard it somewhere too. What came to mind (and I know I'm probably wrong), but have you ever seen the commercials for the religious cd's? During the hook of the song, I keep wanting to sing...."and so I walked in the shadow of ...." I vaguely remember the words, and if I'm completely wrong, don't beat me up! This kind of stuff keeps me up at night too. |
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JTR
Chatterbox
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Posted - 06/01/2004 : 12:29:38 AM
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| I just wondering, did anyone ever uncover the answer to this mystery? I doubt I ever knew the answer, but the song seems strangely familiar. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2004 : 01:13:53 AM
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| is it a bach courante? |
death to false metal. |
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JTR
Chatterbox
417 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2004 : 01:51:10 AM
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| No, it's the piece that's simply titled Segovia on some set lists. As I recall, story goes that Erich was wondering what the title of the song was and when he got a chance to ask TR, he himself did not remember what it was called, but did know that it was a song that Segovia had performed. So, for about 2 years we've been kind of stuck on what the song's name is... |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 06/01/2004 : 01:53:33 AM
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| I think it's Bach related. I just had a music class where we went over a lot of his material, but I'd forgotten about this thread. It sounds familiar. When I go back to school in the Fall I can ask my old professor, who is an organist/harpsichordist/pianist, and is obssesed with Bach. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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SandyCarl
Try A Little Harder
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Posted - 06/01/2004 : 11:45:28 PM
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| Bach is an excellent choice of obsession. |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2004 : 12:42:51 AM
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| i'd be inclined to agree. |
death to false metal. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 06/02/2004 : 2:02:28 PM
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If it's not Bach then it has to be one of his contemporaries from that period. I have quite a bit of Bach's music and I can't find a Courante that sounds anything like it. We need to consult an expert somewhere.
BTW how can you not be obsessed with bach? |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 06/02/2004 : 2:20:30 PM
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| i'll ask some of my teachers. |
death to false metal. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 06/02/2004 : 4:50:36 PM
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I found IT!!! I found it!!! Cello Suite No. 1 (BWV 1007) J.S. Bach Courante!!! Listen to the Midi here at http://www.classicalguitarmidi.com/bach.html
It's about 3/4 of the way down the page. |
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Fluffy
Administrator
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Posted - 06/02/2004 : 8:37:50 PM
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Congratulations, an age olde mystery solved. Not even TR himself remembers what piece of music it was. He just knew he heard it on a Segovia CD he used to have. He thought it was Bach, but he wasn't positive. Way back in the early days of my tenure with TR Jon Soldo asked the question to TR and I remember TR giving JS an answer but have no idea what the answer was. My guess is it was the same answer I got from TR when grilled about it. "I think it was a Bach piece, that I heard recorded by Segovia." Glad the mystery is finally solved. You have made so many people SOOOOO happy. Gold star to Zachmozach!!!
As per Z's info, I found these 2 Segovia CD's with that track. Maybe one of these is the one TR learned it from. I am sure there are more out there. But these were the first 2 I found and they sell for $6.99 & $7.99 respectively:
Art Of The Guitar / Andres Segovia, John Williams
Release Date: 10/01/1995 Label: Madacy Records Catalog: 4934
Composer: Johann Sebastian Bach
Performer: Andrés Segovia, John [guitar] Williams
Bach On Guitar / Andres Segovia, John Williams
Release Date: 04/09/2003 Label: Bescol Catalog: 705
Composer: Johann Sebastian Bach
Performer: John [guitar] Williams, Andrés Segovia
It's prolly the first one as the 2nd one is too new for it to be where TR heard it. Who knows, maybe the 2nd is a reissue of the 1st one. |
Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy         
"THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A CRUEL AND SHALLOW MONEY TRENCH-- A LONG PLASTIC HALLWAY WHERE THIEVES AND PIMPS RUN FREE AND GOOD MEN DIE LIKE DOGS. THERE'S ALSO A NEGATIVE SIDE..." -Hunter S. Thompson |
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JTR
Chatterbox
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Posted - 06/02/2004 : 9:57:35 PM
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| I see, then yes, it is Courante. Yup, I was wrong because I thought the song in question was actually another song. The song I was thinking of was from the show at the HOB on July 17th, 2003. You can find it with this link in the archive-thingy: http://www.archive.org/download/tr2003-07-17.flac16/tr2003-07-17d1t07.flac . TR's also done it on one of the soundcheck videos too, as I recall. |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2004 : 11:37:14 PM
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| I must have really been mistaken because that didn't sound at all like what I was thinking of. Maybe I too thought a different song was in question. Now I am more confused then ever, LOL |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 06/03/2004 : 02:32:42 AM
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Bach is indeed a badass.
Got arrested and thrown in jail for a month for asking to take a better job elsewhere. Crazy. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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Erich
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1427 Posts |
Posted - 06/03/2004 : 04:58:34 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by JTR
I see, then yes, it is Courante. Yup, I was wrong because I thought the song in question was actually another song. The song I was thinking of was from the show at the HOB on July 17th, 2003. You can find it with this link in the archive-thingy: http://www.archive.org/download/tr2003-07-17.flac16/tr2003-07-17d1t07.flac . TR's also done it on one of the soundcheck videos too, as I recall.
yes, its THIS song I cant figure out that tim doesnt know. Hes down with Courante already. man, its driving me nuts still :p |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
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4159 Posts |
Posted - 06/03/2004 : 06:36:09 AM
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Erich, I can't get any of the links here so staighten me out. Courante is NOT the song you were looking for, right? I mean, when I listened to that, which BTW I had no trouble linking up with, it didn't sound at all like the song I thought we were looking for. I still was thinking Sergovia.
Yes, confusion reins supreme! LOL |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
3776 Posts |
Posted - 06/03/2004 : 12:48:59 PM
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| i fucking quit. |
death to false metal. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 06/03/2004 : 3:35:25 PM
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| So I found the wrong classical piece. Did we already no that one? Well my only suggestion for finding this one is to find out what key it's in. That would help a lot. Then you can search by pieces in that key and narrow things down a lot. |
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Jorgy
Is Anybody Here?
USA
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Posted - 06/14/2004 : 03:58:41 AM
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| is the page with the mystery song still working or is my computer illiteacy getting the best of me? |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2004 : 10:31:25 AM
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Once again this perplexes me, I am listening to Segovia today, wondering if the song we are trying to place is Bach's Parita No3 in E?
I can't link up to the song in question anymore. Not sure if this is it but no matter because I am loving this piece anyway.
Oh and Happy fourth of July everyone! |
"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!"Friedrich Nietzsche |
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dan p.
Alien Abductee
Uganda
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Posted - 07/04/2004 : 7:25:16 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Jorgy
is the page with the mystery song still working or is my computer illiteacy getting the best of me?
as opposed to the regular type? |
death to false metal. |
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KevinLesko
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 08/13/2004 : 1:41:19 PM
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| Tim said last night, that the album the song is on was an old cassette called something "Castle" so maybe that will help us a bit. |
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Zachmozach
Fluffy-Esque
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JTR
Chatterbox
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Posted - 08/18/2004 : 11:29:08 PM
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The pieces performed on the Castles of Spain album are a set of works by Federico Moreno Torroba, I think. I haven't heard the album, but everytime I search I find info with his named as the composer and Segovia as the arranger. Using that info with a website with an extensive collection of classical tabs (http://alt.venus.co.uk/weed/music/classtab/welcome.htm), I have this list of songs that appear to be from that album (or at least Volume 1). This list is the same list as can be found on that classical tab website:
Federico Moreno Torroba (1891-1982)
Castles of Spain Vol 1 - Turégano (Serranilla)
Castles of Spain Vol 1 - Torija (Elegia)
Castles of Spain Vol 1 - Manzanares El Real (A la Moca Fermosa)
Castles of Spain Vol 1 - Montemayor (Romance De Los Pinos)
Castles of Spain Vol 1 - Alcaniz (Festiva)
Castles of Spain Vol 1 - Sigüenza (La Infanta Duerme)
Castles of Spain Vol 1 - Alba De Tormes (Trova)
Castles of Spain Vol 1 - Alcazar de Segovia (Llamda)
Using the tabs, and some midis, from that classical tab site, I still haven't been able to determine if one of these songs is the "Segovia song" we're searching for. Although the answer may not have been found, I think we're getting closer to it. Have a look at the tabs and midis and see if you can't hear it in one of those. I thought for a second that Alcaniz (Festiva) was the "Segovia song," but I remain unsure. |
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Erich
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 08/19/2004 : 12:08:42 AM
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man, you guys rock my ass. one step closer! 5 1/2+ years searching and going strong!
Alcaniz did sound like it, but i think its different. shame. pain in my ass that its so close!!! |
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KevinLesko
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 04/09/2005 : 11:07:17 PM
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Well I picked up the Segovia Boxset yesterday... 4 discs, almost 5 hours of music that I'll be listening to over the next few days, and I'll be sure to post here if I hear the piece.
Alcaniz (Festiva) does (sort of) sound like it... If I don't hear anything better, then we might just have to assume that TR's version differs from the original, and that this might be it. |
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KevinLesko
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Posted - 04/11/2005 : 01:15:19 AM
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| Well, I dunno... I guess maybe I can play this song for Tim when he is here and California and ask him if this is it. I'm still not quite convinced, but it is still the closest piece I've heard. |
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tericee
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 04/12/2005 : 2:10:54 PM
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| Your dedication astounds me you guys! |
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KevinLesko
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 05/18/2005 : 02:10:42 AM
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*UPDATE*
I burned a cd of disc 2 of the Segovia Box (the disc that featured Castles of Spain) and gave it to Tim after the show in San Juan Capisrano. Tim said that he is sure the song was on Castles of Spain, and he also said that when he hears it he will probably be taken by surprise at how much different it is from his interpretation of it, because when he did it, it was more of an inspired interpretation of the song that he remembered back when he had the cassette, which was a while ago. Hope to hear from either Tim or Fluffy soon with confirmation! |
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tericee
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USA
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Posted - 05/18/2005 : 2:43:07 PM
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| It will be soooo great if you've finally solved this mystery! |
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 05/18/2005 : 3:04:05 PM
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| If I remember Kevin, I'll ask him about it on Sunday. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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Kevin
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 05/18/2005 : 3:46:59 PM
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| Well that makes it even harder to find the song if what Tim plays is just his interp of it lol. I've been working on a tab of this song, btw...I've got the first section done, and working on the second. Man is it hard to play :P |
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Erich
Fluffy-Esque
USA
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Posted - 05/18/2005 : 4:15:23 PM
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so close! thanks kevin. I bet when he hears it it'll be so different that we might as well call it a tim original and have him name it for us *laughs*
oh, Arthen - can you do me a big favour? Ask Tim if the song "Where have the years..." is an original or not. If you can, great. Danke :) |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 05/18/2005 : 5:01:18 PM
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Kevin I guess Segovia playing Bach's Parita No3 in E isn't on that disc eh? That is the closest I could find to it.
I bet Erich is right, that if TIM hears the song his version is nothing like it! And yes Erich, he should name it for us! That way we will know it once and for all!
Arthen, have a great TIMe at the concert, you deserve to for sure!
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Arthen
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USA
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Posted - 05/18/2005 : 5:49:43 PM
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| I will take my typical Tim Concert Notebook (in which I write down setlists, etc) with those questions written down. Hopefully I'll get some answers out of him and Fluffy. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
cbenc41@hotmail.com |
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Erich
Fluffy-Esque
USA
1427 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2005 : 04:39:00 AM
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| any update, gwarthen? |
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PJK
Alien Abductee
USA
4159 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2007 : 9:09:36 PM
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OK, hate to bring this out of the woodwork again but I am listening to Segovia as I work on my book report and darn, that piece we were looking for, it wasn't Robert De Visee's Menuet was it? I know TR said it was Bach but the Menuet sounds a bit like Bach's Partita No. 3 in E. OK, maybe I am just crazy, LOL.
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Arthen
Alien Abductee
USA
4845 Posts |
Posted - 04/21/2007 : 10:38:41 PM
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I never saw this thread after my last post on it, whoops.
But anyways, I never got to talk to TR about it, if memory serves they booked from the show pretty quickly. I was lucky to have caught Fluffy for a bit, but I didn't even see TR. |
Steve Hackett: "I'm my own opening act, you see."
Tim (before "Faceoff"): "Peace, love....and SEX!"
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dancheatham
Chatterbox
USA
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Posted - 08/11/2007 : 10:28:44 PM
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| As far as I can tell, it's Alañiz (Festiva), but it's not identical. Sounds like Tim's just got his own version of it. The song isn't even really close to anything else on Castillos de España, and they sound very similar to me. |
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Can ANYONE recognize this song? SEGOVIA
