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KevinLesko
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 Posted - 09/22/2001 : 3:53:34 PM
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Wow, it was cool to see Leelines on the sets, I really like that song. I wonder if it is straight acoustic or what? Maybe on the SG? I hope he plays it on wed or thurs.
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GuitarGuy305
Alien Abductee
USA
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Posted - 09/25/2001 : 5:58:50 PM
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Ditto, Leelines is one of my favorite songs.
Adam
And on the 8th day God created the art of war...and laughing, planned the end.
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Fluffy
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USA
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Posted - 09/27/2001 : 08:14:32 AM
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Leelines is one of the songs he plays on the new Baritone. He said the Baritone is really hard to play and it has been hard to translate alot of the songs to it but he has worked out a few and Leelines is one of them. He also feels that not all of his songs work with the sound that you get out of the Baritone. So you probably won't be hearing the entire Tim catalog on Baritone anytime soon. It has a very distinctive sound that lends itself to particular songs. That is the way Tim explained it to me.
Peace & Keep the Faith
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enthuTIMsiast
Alien Abductee
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Posted - 09/27/2001 : 10:38:02 PM
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Never heard (of) Leelines. Album? I only have NM, Stream, ID and Sanctuary. Can someone describe it to me?
Sorry for being the village idiot and asking the questions that everyone else knows the answers to. But at least I am in the right place to get my questions answered, right?
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GuitarGuy305
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USA
2007 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2001 : 02:15:59 AM
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Leelines is on Live: Puke Matrix Tour. I'm not sure if its on another CD or not. Maybe someone else knows??
Adam
And on the 8th day God created the art of war...and laughing, planned the end.
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will
Is Anybody Here?
USA
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Posted - 09/30/2001 : 11:31:32 PM
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Hey Fluffy, do you (or anybody else for that matter) know what "Leelines" means? I have been pondering that since I got the Puke CD.
"This guitar is called sister. This guitar is called brother. I'm the bus driver and we're comin' home from school."
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KevinLesko
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Posted - 10/01/2001 : 12:11:08 AM
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Good call Will, I remember trying to look that word up in the dictionary a while back. I too would be interested in knowing what it means.
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Fluffy
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Posted - 10/01/2001 : 8:54:22 PM
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I will try to remember to ask him tonite. If time and the conversation permits.
Peace & Keep the Faith
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Fluffy
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Posted - 10/02/2001 : 07:56:14 AM
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OK here it is, the explanation of LEELINES:
Leelines are currents of power that run thru the earth and there are certain places like SF(ironically where we are when I asked this question) and C-ville(where the song was written) that are close to the surface that effect people for good or bad. Depending on how people percieve the incoming powers or channel them. They are derived from ancient cultures and the Chinese called them the Dragon Currents. I am sure if you look it up on the internet or in your local occult book section you can find a much better explanation of Leelines or the Dragon Currents. Special Thanx to Rew for his knowledge of this phenomenon as he was quite affected by them in his 7 years in San Francisco. He explained it in much better detail than Mr Reynolds. How weird is it that when I asked the question they both started to answer and I was totally oblivious. Another cosmic connection and more of the synchronistic activity I have come to believe draws people together. It is a great big world we live in, but when it comes down to it, it is really quite small.
Peace & Keep the Faith
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KevinLesko
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Posted - 10/02/2001 : 5:26:54 PM
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That sounds like some interesting stuff... you know sometimes I forget that I go to one of the top 10 public Universities in the nation... I think I'll take a look in the research data-base and the library for some more info on that... I'll be sure to let y'all know what I find.
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Fluffy
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Posted - 06/26/2002 : 04:07:01 AM
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More on the tip of the iceberg. Enjoy Kevin.
The theory that a location or site possesses supernatural energies which can sometimes be marked by stone circles, standing stones, etc. The term "Earth Energies" is connected with topics from Fen Shui to Ley Lines and fundamentally argues that Planet Earth is a living planet and has energies which are produced by all living things passing around it that can be tapped into or channelled at specific locations. To date research has been done regarding changes in electromagnetic fields but science is still unable to fully explain (scientifically measure) the principals behind the concept and so it is still open to debate although a change in magnetic fields has in the past been recorded with no explanation as to why it should change.
The term "ley lines" was coined by Alfred Watkins when explaining his theory that ancient sites around Britain had actually been constructed or formed giving alignments between and across the inhabited landscape of Britain. The sites mentioned include Stone Circles, Standing Stones, Long Barrows, Cairns, Burial Mounds and Churches.
In 1921 Watkins had an idea about alignments and set about noting and measuring these sites to help support his theory. His first book entitled, "Early British Trackways" was published in 1922 and was the result of a lecture he had given the previous year. After this he continued to pursue his study of the alignment theory. In 1925 he published what is said to be his main book entitled, "The Old Straight Track", later books were "The Ley Hunters Manual" (1927) and the "Archaic Tracks Around Cambridge" (1932). Shortly after the publishing of the Old Straight Track, The Straight Track Postal Portfolio club was formed enable people to exchange and circulate information, including viewpoints and photographs, with each other. Major F.C. Taylor in the 1930's was the secretary, but the deaths of Alfred Watkins and Major Taylor and the advent of the Second World War meant that the club closed. Luckily a handful of people kept the interest alive right through to the 1960's when a new cycle of theories emerged.
It is said that the word "Ley" comes from the Saxon word for cleared glade. Paul Devereux and Ian Thompson, in their book, The Ley Guide, quote from the Concise Oxford English Dictionary that the word "ley" can be linked to "lea" meaning a "tracked of open ground." Watkins believed that the image of the actual ley surveyors/designers can be seen by looking at the chalk figure known as "The Long Man of Wilmington," located in Sussex. In 1974 these types of design in the Southern parts of Britain have been linked to the markings on the pampa/ground close to Nasca, Peru, by Maria Reiche a German expert.
Geomancy
Strictly speaking, the term geomancy refers to an ancient form of divination in which, simply put, handfuls of soil or other materials were scattered on the ground, or markings made in the earth or sand, to generate a range of dot configurations which could then be "read" by a seer.
In the 19th century, however, geomancy came to be applied to the Chinese practice of feng shui by which the location and orientation of houses and tombs was determined with close regard to the topography of the local landscape. The feng shui master or geomant employed a circular magnetic compass, called a luopan, which was marked off in rings containing data relating to astrology, directions, the elements, landscape forms, times of day, and so on. The aim was to locate a site where the energies or ch'i of the land and sky were brought into perfect balance. The harmony of these energies ensured good fortune.
The science of feng shui, literally "wind and water", recognized that certain powerful currents and lines of magnetism run invisible through the landscape over the whole surface of the earth. The task of the geomancer was to detect these currents and interpret their influences on the land through which they passed.
These lines of magnetic force, known in China as the "dragon current", or lung-mei, existed in two forms: the yin, or negative, current represented by the white tiger, and the yang, or positive, current, represented by the blue dragon. The landscape will display both yin and yang features; gently undulating country is yin, or female, while sharp rocks and steep mountains are yang, or male.
It was the aim of the geomancer to place every structure precisely within the landscape in accordance with a magic system by which the laws of music and mathematics were expressed in the geometry of the earth's surface. The landscape itself may be manipulated in order to achieve the harmony sought through the placement or adjustment, or removal, of trees or rocks, or bodies of water. Every feature of the landscape may be contrived to produce an effect which ultimately is perceived as beautiful; indeed, perceived beauty in a landscape may in fact be simply when the lines of the dragon current are in balance.
At the outset, a geomancer must locate the course of the major lines of the dragon current in his or her area. These days, it is claimed that such energy lines can be detected, and traced, through dowsing.
In the 1960s, the ley lines discovered by Alfred Watkins forty years earlier, came to be identified with the dragon lines of Chinese feng shui. This gave a whole new meaning to ley lines which now ceased to be simply straight tracks but in fact mapped on the surface of the landscape lines of energy coursing through the earth. The presence of prehistoric sites - megalithic tombs, stone circles, standing stones - along ley lines indicated that these energy currents were known in prehistoric times and that the sites did not merely mark the route but somehow also tapped into this energy source. Frequently, important prehistoric monuments occupy sites where two or more ley lines intersect. Also located along these ley lines are sites associated with Dragons and Dragon-killers
Ley lines, or Leys, are alignments of ancient sites stretching across the landscape. Ancient sites or holy places may be situated in a straight line ranging from one or two to several miles in length. A ley may be identified simply by an aligned placing of marker sites, or it might be visible on the ground for all or part of its length by the remnants of an old straight track.
Ley Lines were 're-discovered' on 30 June 1921 by Alfred Watkins (1855-1935), a locally well-known and respected Herefordshire businessman, who while looking at a map for features of interest noticed a straight line that passed over hill tops through various points of interest, all of which were ancient. At the time of his discovery, Watkins had no theory about alignments but on that June afternoon saw "in a flash" a whole pattern of lines stretching across the landscape. Four years later, in 1925, he described his vision in a book he titled The Old Straight Track:
"Imagine a fairy chain stretched from mountain peak to mountain peak, as far as the eye could reach, and paid out until it reached the 'high places' of the earth at a number of ridges, banks, and knowls. Then visualise a mound, circular earthwork, or clump of trees, planted on these high points, and in low points in the valley other mounds ringed around with water to be seen from a distance. Then great standing stones brought to mark the way at intervals, and on a bank leading up to a mountain ridge or down to a ford the track cut deep so as to form a guiding notch on the skyline as you come up.... Here and there, at two ends of the way, a beacon fire used to lay out the track. With ponds dug on the line, or streams banked up into 'flashes' to form reflecting points on the beacon track so that it might be checked when at least once a year the beacon was fired on the traditional day. All these works exactly on the sighting line."
Watkins surmised that these straight tracks, or ley lines as he called them at first, were the remnants of prehistoric trading routes. He went on to associate ley lines with the Greek god Hermes (the Roman Mercury, the Norse Woden) who was the god of communication and of boundaries, the winged messenger, and the guide to travellers on unknown paths. Watkins identified Hermes-Mercury with the chief god of the Druids and argued that:
"A Celtic god, Tout, or in its Romanised form Toutates, is supposed to be what Caesar referred to, and this name has been found on a Romano-British altar. It is a fact that sighting mounds called Tot, Toot, Tout, Tute and Twt abound all over the Kingdom, and the root is probably Celtic... The fact that such mounds are mark-points on trackways strengthen the link..."
The identification of leys as ancient traders' routes was as far as Watkins was prepared to go, despite the fact that numerous ley lines travelled up prohibitively steep hillsides. Speculation as to their meaning and purpose continued after Watkins' death in 1935.
According to Paul Devereux, it was the occultist Dion Fortune in her 1936 novel The Goat-Foot God (republished in 1971 by S. Weiser, New York, and in 1989 by Aquarian Press, Northamptonshire) who invented the idea that ley lines were "lines of power" linking prehistoric sites. A few years later, it was suggested that ley lines followed lines cosmic energy in the Earth and could be detected using dowsing rods. In the 1960s, ley lines, or "leys" as they were now called, became linked with UFO sightings.
In 1969, ley lines were taken up by John Michell, in his seminal book The View Over Atlantis, who discussed them within the context of geomancy. By 1974, ley lines and geomancy, plus other esoteric subjects having to do with the Earth, were collected under the umbrella term of "Earth Mysteries."
Earth energies and ley lines also have a more sinister side. When a ley line passes through decaying matter, likea burial-ground, dirty river or canal, the energy changes to a “black stream”.This causes severe ill-health, from M.E. and M.S. to cancer in anyone in that area, especially if the earth energies are concentrated in their beds. Apart from this, underground streams, geological fissures and fault lines, coal mines, quarries, electric power stations and sub-stations, microwave towers, repeater television aerials, nuclear submarines and missile sites, etc., all alter the natural energies around them, adding to the massive geopathic stress which our modern world now suffers.
For an example of how Ley Lines work, go to:
http://www.leyman.demon.co.uk/nleyline.htm
Peace & Keep the Faith
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KevinLesko
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Posted - 06/26/2002 : 5:45:28 PM
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WOW! This is stuff that I find super interesting! The Spelling explains why I was never able to find any info at my school in the library or any databases. Now that I know it is LEY lines, I'll be sure to check again, and I'll post anything that I find. Thanks for that acticle you posted.
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therippa
Fluffy-Esque
Kazakhstan
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Posted - 06/26/2002 : 5:51:28 PM
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Leelines is one of the songs he plays on the new Baritone. He said the Baritone is really hard to play and it has been hard to translate alot of the songs to it but he has worked out a few and Leelines is one of them. He also feels that not all of his songs work with the sound that you get out of the Baritone. So you probably won't be hearing the entire Tim catalog on Baritone anytime soon. It has a very distinctive sound that lends itself to particular songs. That is the way Tim explained it to me.
Peace & Keep the Faith
Fluffy
Didn't even know Tim was using a baritone...hope he doesn't let Glen Ballard produce his next album and fuck up his credibility.
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Fluffy
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Posted - 06/26/2002 : 9:35:31 PM
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Yep, on the last acoustic tour he bought a baritone just before we left and brought that and the SG along with him. He would do a few songs on the bari and SG interspersed throughout the show. It was awesome. I shouldn't be surprised that the next tour became the ChaosView tour, he was having so much fun with the SG for those parts of the set. There should be pictures of TR with the Bari and SG on the photos that are posted so far from that tour. Jon tells me the rest will hopefully be coming soon.
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